This reminds me DRM a lot.

 

Wow... that sucks. Good find.

 

Doesn't sound too extreme to me...

If i can afford to take 'my' GT-R to the track, i would want a safety check afterwards.

One would just need to change w/ wheels that accept the pressure sensor.

I really think all the ecu complications will be ironed out soon.

 

MINE's installed a new coil-over suspension, exhaust, and filter-element without ECU problems. However, the ECU went nuts when they tried to put a cone-style intake on, as well as when they tried to increase the boost. MINE'S seems to be making progress on the ECU though. They removed the speed limiter and claim to be in the last stages of removing the boost, A/F ratio, and variable timing limits.

This is what they said about the wheels: "That the factory wheels cannot be removed without sending an error code to the ECU, MINE'S has proven this myth wrong. It's been able to take off wheels, rotate them, and even change to higher-performance, non-run-flat tires. It did have to take the wheels to the Nissan dealership to get the job done at great expense; MINE'S ended up paying about $230 per wheel in labor."

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0802_nissan_muzzles_japanese_gtr/index.html

 

So much for living up to the Skyline's tuner legacy....


In all honesty, I'm sure someone will figure out ways to get around the wheel sensors pretty quickly. I also wouldn't be surprised if somone will find a way to modify intake system without thriggering a DTC. The GPS system will be more difficult though. I'm not really sure how to get around that, other than hoping for a large list of approved tracks. Personally, I could easily live with being limited to 111mph on the highway.

 

its only a matter of time, just like the iphone... It will be hacked. If you can spend money on a GT-R, I would suspect them to have the money to mod it.

 

Bah, by the time any of us can afford one, the car will be long out of the warranty period anyway. By then there will be hacks for any electronic systems in place. I'd be WAY more concerned about things like finding ways for the DCT tranny to hold 25-50% more torque than designed for since there will probably only be a few shops in the world that can work on them...

 

Ummm... Any of us? That's a pretty broad statement.

You're aware one of our members owns a Veyron an SLR and is on his second Lamborghini... Right?

 

And this is why I love chevy.

 

But you drive a Mitsu

 

The last paragraph in the quote says that people in the U.S. don't have to worry about the speed limiter/track day issues...

-Evan

 

While all these findings are draconian, GT-R owners here in the U.S. won't have to worry about the speed limiter/track day issue. Nissan has said that the GPS system won't be implemented here in the States, but the future of tuning the GT-R remains questionable.

This is from the bottom of the first post. Was this the only place it said this? How come nobody else is noticing this?

-Evan

I noticed it the first time I read the article and caught it both times you posted about it.

I don't think people are bitching about that, people are upset mostly about the ECU not being very mod friendly.

 

As much fun as tuning it would be, its such a beautiful car stock

 

I am no longer interested in the GTR. Thanks for the find.

 

Why would they do this, the whole reason the old ones were so sought after was because they took so well to mods...

 

i might be thinking outside the box here, you should be able to change the wheels by removing the tpms sensor and just installing it on the new wheels... or maybe they might of created a different type of indirect tpms sensor and if you swap rims you might mess it up ?

 

if it's in the valve stem as the article states, then it's a simple swap. If it is indirect and integrated into the abs system like some vehicles, there are ways of reprogramming it, the shop i work at does it all the time. as for as the other crap, how much easier/cheaper would it be to just say, if you mod/race/beat on the car, your warranty is void, this would save the company money and make owners much happier, i guess they never realized WHY the old models were so popular.

 

the TPMS sensor wont affect the car dynamically. Ive driven cars with the TPMS not transferred to aftermarket wheels and they dont do jack to the car. all you have to do is live with the annoying light on the dash. thats it.

id be more concerned about tuning the GTR more than swapping aftermarket wheels

 

It'll be just a matter of time before there a "free" mods to delete all that anyway.

 

the line about the aftermarket wheels is federal law for all 08 and newer cars. you may have heard about it. its called Tire Pressure Monitoring System. there are a few ways to get around it.

 

If GPS and tire pressure sensors are really what's holding this up, then the system will be pretty easy to defeat. I realize that the GPS issue isn't a problem for us, but it's not hard to defeat. GPS is pretty easy to get through, around, or within. It's just a radio frequency. The tire pressure sensors are likely the same. Someone with experience in frequency manipulation, generation, and amplification could probably kill both birds with one stone.

Even if you don't want to fool it into working like the above would do, it won't be hard to work around. I think it'd be hilarious to drop the thing off for service and have the GPS tell the mechanic that it's sitting on the front straight at Suzuka while it's in the service bay on a lift at the dealer.

-Russell

 

yeah that tpms law is 100% queer, servicing a indirect tpms vehicle is easy but a direct tpms is a pia. some of those fords have the sensor mounted on a band 180 degrees away from the valve stem. to me there are alot more disadvantages from having a direct tpms over an indirect.

 

thank the insurance companies getting on the governments ass for it. as for the location of the sensor...youre right. some are 180 from the stem and some are part of the stem.

 

it's like 1984 by george orwell. rediculous. There's a reason i dont buy any car made after 1995.

It's too bad. I imagine this car is going to be less like the old skylines and more like new supercars - impossible to get more power out of. Why can't some car company get the message and build a 3.0 single turbo inline six with good internals and fuel system???

 

Hate to break it to ya, but the car enthusiast represents a small fraction of car drivers out there. And even smaller fraction of the voting public. It makes much better business sense to build a car for the dumb people than the smart people. You get sued alot less and the tree huggers stay happy.

 

In case you guys missed it...

Dec 07 Car & Driver:
"This is the first V-6 in the modern GT-R series (the three preceding cars employed inline-sixes) and we think it won't disappoint anyone except maybe tuners. We say that because the Nissan development team proudly claims it has made the car's ECU tamper-proof."

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We say that because the Nissan development team proudly claims it has made the car's ECU tamper-proof."[/i]

That statement right there is reason enough for someone to crack it and shove it in Nissan's face. No matter how smart the Nissan engineers think they are, there is ALWAYS someone smarter.

 

if its got flash eeprom itll be cracked. i promise

 

I'll take a Z06 or ZR1, thanks

 

Shame. But I agree with others, there's no such thing as tamper or hack proof. At least, not for an extended period of time.

An interesting point tho, (in my own mind at least) is if these things of beauty aren't meant for modding/tuning/kicking ass, why did Nissan hand out the first few models to Mines, Nismo, HKS etc? Was it to see if they could crack their anti-tamper system?

Scotty

 

Yet another reason to BUY AMERICAN.

 

What new American Twin Turbo all wheel drive car would you suggest?

 

I can name a ton that I consider appealing:
-Challenger
–Charger
-300C
–Jeep GCSRT8
–Viper
–Vette (I’m not a Vette guy but it’s still American)
–GT500
–Pretty much any diesel pickup (Cummins for me)
–New CTS

What else you want? You live here don’t you? You work here, right? You like it here? Buy American.

 

While your list may contain appealing cars, it still fails to provide a Twin Turbo All Wheel Drive sports car, which was the point. Until a US manufacturer makes one, people seeking that kind of car will always have to buy foreign.

 

Uh oh... Could this bust into a Imports v Domestic thread? :suspect: I sure hope we don't end up having the old chestnut of why buying local is better.

Having said that, you guys should so buy our SS & Maloo utes.

Scotty

 

There are plenty of reasons its better, Scotty. It’s sad but there are few if any countries on this planet where it more socially accepted to scorn your own country’s product. In Japan they don’t even allow our vehicles to be sold, in Europe, their domestic brands have a commanding market lead. Most countries use their domestic products as a source of national pride. I can’t wait for the day when it’s socially unacceptable to buy foreign and it is socially acceptable to to scorn and question those who do buy foreign. The trade laws are not nearly as favorable to domestic OEMs in our country and abroad.

I favor business in every sense, and globalization is real, but that doesn’t mean you sell out your own country, especially when they offer product that meets and often exceeds what the foreign OEMs deliver. There are few segments the domestics don’t compete in and that, in my opinion, is the only time you should go looking elsewhere (ultra luxury would be about it).