THIS IS THE ORIGINAL 13T INTEGRATION, BROUGHT TO YOU EXCLUSIVELY BY "THE MAN" RobBeck. I HAVE HUNDREDS OF HOURS VESTED IN THIS PROCESS AND HAVE RELEASED ALOT OF GATHERED INFORMATION BELOW TO HELP THOSE INTERESTED MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION. EXCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!
Integration Cost:
$600 Plus Shipping For Both Turbos
$315 Plus Shipping For Single Turbo (Still don’t recommended mixing turbine wheels)
$250 Refundable core
I would like 2 payments if you are doing the core process and using paypal (robbeck@centurytel.net), this makes it easy to refund the core dollars when I get your old housings back without either party incurring paypal fees (IE. One paypal for $600 plus shipping and another for $250; the $250 Transaction will just be refunded upon my receipt of your cores with no fees if done within 60 days), or you may fall into the new plan. From here on out, core refunds will be prorated. It will give 60 Calendar days (day of your reciept of turbos to the day of my core turbine housing reciept back) before 10% of the refund is forfeited. Then another 5% every additional 15 days..... and eventually bottom out at $140 for the set. This means after 60 days, the Gross $250 will be refunded at $225, 75 days will be $214, 90 days will be $203, 105 days will be $193, 120 days will be $183, and 121-180 (or more) days will be $140 Refund. I can then decline them (if desired) after the 180 day mark. That should encourage a reasonably fast swap, and point out that its not a good idea to get in on this until you are ready to swap turbos. If you provide your own 9B turbine housings then this is all irrelevant. Also I do not take any payment until I am ready to ship the finished product back out.
WRX 13T Cost:
WRX turbos are very common and cheap, as longs as we 3si'rs dont bid against each other and drive up the price.. they can go for $75 to $175 each for very nice pieces. They are very high in production, so thinking no more are going to come around is a no no. Be patient, and get them for $125 each. DO NOT pay over $200 for these.... those guys get a new upgraded turbo in the $400-$600 range... or really nice ones for $700-$900... they as of NOW don’t expect too much for their stocker. The more people pay, the more the value goes up... we don’t want that. Remember they are still putting these into WRXs as we speak, and who knows how many more years they will continue to do so. Why pay huge $$ for a rebuilt turbo with a tiny compressor housing, knowing that if it fails again you have to pay the same huge $$ amount again.... which for some reason happens a lot. Buy an OEM quality turbo, put it on the car, and get OEM life out of it. You should be able to sell your good 9Bs (Minus wastegates and turbine housing) for around $200, to help reduce costs of this setup. Remember my price does not include the wrx turbos themselves. The real beauty of this is once you have the kit.... any later turbo failure and it will only cost you about $150 to resurrect as opposed to full price like other setups (unless you are lucky enough to get it warrantied). So again with this integration you are setup with a relatively new and cheap turbo upgrade until Subura stops making WRXs with TD04s. You will also receive more precise instructions and pics of required clearancing.
WRX Turbos needed:
2000-present standard WRX (NON STI) TD04 13T turbos with part #49377-04300. Most Subura owners like to call their own turbos 13Gs, if you have them tell you they are 13Gs... just ignore them and confirm the part number. There are some other WRX turbos that will work as well that are moreso overseas, but I can not guarantee that they all will work with my bracketry. There seems to be some compressor housing casting changes from one to another so there could also be some interferences, but they could be worked around by some modification. You are however best off looking for the US Market turbo 49377-04300. The newer 49377-04505 will also work. Here are the other older numbers and a couple pics for your reference (49377-04100, 49377-04180, 49377-04190,
49377-04200, 49377-04280, 49377-04290).
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Marty6470/WRX+Turbos/100_0772.JPG
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Marty6470/WRX+Turbos/100_0776.JPG
http://www.wrxlinks.com/images/turbo_lg.jpg
http://www.drinkalot.com/poco/turbo1.jpg
http://www.drinkalot.com/poco/turbo2.jpg
http://www.drinkalot.com/poco/turbo3.jpg
Questions to ask when you are purchasing your turbos:
1) Reason for removing?
2) Did it use oil/blow smoke?
3) Does it have excessive shaft play?
4) What kind of mileage?
5) Visual damages to the compressor or turbine wheels? Did you look very closely?
6) Can you get me some pictures?
7) Do the wheels spin freely and smoothly by hand?
8) Did the turbo make any noises and/or whine when on car, especially when spooling?
Remember it is very important to ask a bunch of questions, but nothing can prevent some scandalous asswads from trying to screw someone over every now and then... but we have to hope that sellers will disclose what they know. Get all the facts in email and in addition have real confirming phone conversations and numbers, etc.... sometimes people have a harder time lying over the phone or you can catch them in a lie easier.
Parts I need and shipping considerations:
I need only 9B turbine housings (unless you are doing core plan you use mine) and the WRX 13T compressor housings and CHRAs (cartridge assemblies) although I prefer the WRX 13T being sent fully assembled. Dont dispose of obvious reassembly hardware however (ie. bolts, clamps, oil feed lines, oil drain lines, coolant lines, intercooler pipes, etc)…. I don’t need them but YOU will when reassembling. Be careful if separating the housings, if done unevenly or without consideration you can also very easily damage the turbine wheel. Also be advised their is a small little dowel pin that ALWAYS GETS BUSTED.... PLEASE take care to separate 9b cartridge from the turbine housing. It goes straight off, tap around the perimeter of the turbine housing with a hammer while holding the compressor housing slightly elevated with your left hand. WD-40 or Pbblaster may also help. Do not try to do some serious prying to separate the housings, the tapping should work fine (you can do minor prying after the housings have separated quite a bit). And dont try to twist the housing off... or that little pin will break... and I will have to spend some time on repairing it! Sometimes this pin will break however, and when it does don’t worry we will repair it free of charge. You can also send in your complete 9B turbochargers and I will disassemble them and send you back the remains. For those packaging and working with these housings, I do recommend leaving the turbos fully assembled during shipment to protect the wheels from damage. Otherwise pack them VERY well and secure to not be hindered by being dropped or thrown about. Also be aware that the wastegate flapper arm easily bends if too much pressure is exerted on it. They can be bent back for the most part but it is only soo many times before that thing breaks off. I am not sure where a replacement for that could be found, may have to be custom machined or something. I once received a package with turbos that had the turbine housings removed and had little turbine wheel protection and some wheel fins were bent up pretty good during shipment. I did what I can to straighten them out, but I can’t guarantee perfection and am unsure how this could affect the performance and life of the turbo. So wrap and PROTECT your turbo components like they were glass if you insist on shipping without the turbine housings!
Where to buy the WRX turbos:
http://forum.wrx.com.au/
http://www.clubwrx.net/
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/
http://www.ebay.com
Friends, Family, etc.
WRX Turbo performance:
Have yet to find a flow chart for the WRX TD04 13T turbo. On the WRX boards they post the 13G flow chart when someone asks about the stock WRX turbo, the 13g is MUCH smaller in comparison to the 13T so I highly doubt they are equivalent. Because of this and the lack of overall results, one can not without a doubt say that it is better or worse than a 15g, DR500, etc. However, based on compressor wheel (and housing) and the turbine wheel (and housing) dimensions I THINK it very well could be similar or superior in performance while at a fraction of the cost. I have heard reports of these holding OVER 20psi thru redline thus far... but personally only can vouch for 16.5psi as my car has been apart for ever. CANENAC/AdamVR4 have seen over 20psi to redline on their dyno days. Here are some links that have drag times and a dyno pull.
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205193
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=226352
Here is the latest and Greatest RobBeck 13T Dyno info, CANENACs car Tuned By AdamVR4 (464AWHP/491LB/FT Torque) :
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=256441
Jason_99ozGS has the current Pump Gas ET Record of 12.48@111mph @14-15psi in a Full weight 94 6 speed on a stock air meter and very simple supporting mods in 93* St. Louis summer heat.
jet has leaped into the race gas ET/MPH record with a 11.8@118 at higher boost levels and nearly NO mods at all, main mod being RobBeck 13T's.
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=288329
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Integration Cost:
$600 Plus Shipping For Both Turbos
$315 Plus Shipping For Single Turbo (Still don’t recommended mixing turbine wheels)
$250 Refundable core
I would like 2 payments if you are doing the core process and using paypal (robbeck@centurytel.net), this makes it easy to refund the core dollars when I get your old housings back without either party incurring paypal fees (IE. One paypal for $600 plus shipping and another for $250; the $250 Transaction will just be refunded upon my receipt of your cores with no fees if done within 60 days), or you may fall into the new plan. From here on out, core refunds will be prorated. It will give 60 Calendar days (day of your reciept of turbos to the day of my core turbine housing reciept back) before 10% of the refund is forfeited. Then another 5% every additional 15 days..... and eventually bottom out at $140 for the set. This means after 60 days, the Gross $250 will be refunded at $225, 75 days will be $214, 90 days will be $203, 105 days will be $193, 120 days will be $183, and 121-180 (or more) days will be $140 Refund. I can then decline them (if desired) after the 180 day mark. That should encourage a reasonably fast swap, and point out that its not a good idea to get in on this until you are ready to swap turbos. If you provide your own 9B turbine housings then this is all irrelevant. Also I do not take any payment until I am ready to ship the finished product back out.
WRX 13T Cost:
WRX turbos are very common and cheap, as longs as we 3si'rs dont bid against each other and drive up the price.. they can go for $75 to $175 each for very nice pieces. They are very high in production, so thinking no more are going to come around is a no no. Be patient, and get them for $125 each. DO NOT pay over $200 for these.... those guys get a new upgraded turbo in the $400-$600 range... or really nice ones for $700-$900... they as of NOW don’t expect too much for their stocker. The more people pay, the more the value goes up... we don’t want that. Remember they are still putting these into WRXs as we speak, and who knows how many more years they will continue to do so. Why pay huge $$ for a rebuilt turbo with a tiny compressor housing, knowing that if it fails again you have to pay the same huge $$ amount again.... which for some reason happens a lot. Buy an OEM quality turbo, put it on the car, and get OEM life out of it. You should be able to sell your good 9Bs (Minus wastegates and turbine housing) for around $200, to help reduce costs of this setup. Remember my price does not include the wrx turbos themselves. The real beauty of this is once you have the kit.... any later turbo failure and it will only cost you about $150 to resurrect as opposed to full price like other setups (unless you are lucky enough to get it warrantied). So again with this integration you are setup with a relatively new and cheap turbo upgrade until Subura stops making WRXs with TD04s. You will also receive more precise instructions and pics of required clearancing.
WRX Turbos needed:
2000-present standard WRX (NON STI) TD04 13T turbos with part #49377-04300. Most Subura owners like to call their own turbos 13Gs, if you have them tell you they are 13Gs... just ignore them and confirm the part number. There are some other WRX turbos that will work as well that are moreso overseas, but I can not guarantee that they all will work with my bracketry. There seems to be some compressor housing casting changes from one to another so there could also be some interferences, but they could be worked around by some modification. You are however best off looking for the US Market turbo 49377-04300. The newer 49377-04505 will also work. Here are the other older numbers and a couple pics for your reference (49377-04100, 49377-04180, 49377-04190,
49377-04200, 49377-04280, 49377-04290).
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Marty6470/WRX+Turbos/100_0772.JPG
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Marty6470/WRX+Turbos/100_0776.JPG
http://www.wrxlinks.com/images/turbo_lg.jpg
http://www.drinkalot.com/poco/turbo1.jpg
http://www.drinkalot.com/poco/turbo2.jpg
http://www.drinkalot.com/poco/turbo3.jpg
Questions to ask when you are purchasing your turbos:
1) Reason for removing?
2) Did it use oil/blow smoke?
3) Does it have excessive shaft play?
4) What kind of mileage?
5) Visual damages to the compressor or turbine wheels? Did you look very closely?
6) Can you get me some pictures?
7) Do the wheels spin freely and smoothly by hand?
8) Did the turbo make any noises and/or whine when on car, especially when spooling?
Remember it is very important to ask a bunch of questions, but nothing can prevent some scandalous asswads from trying to screw someone over every now and then... but we have to hope that sellers will disclose what they know. Get all the facts in email and in addition have real confirming phone conversations and numbers, etc.... sometimes people have a harder time lying over the phone or you can catch them in a lie easier.
Parts I need and shipping considerations:
I need only 9B turbine housings (unless you are doing core plan you use mine) and the WRX 13T compressor housings and CHRAs (cartridge assemblies) although I prefer the WRX 13T being sent fully assembled. Dont dispose of obvious reassembly hardware however (ie. bolts, clamps, oil feed lines, oil drain lines, coolant lines, intercooler pipes, etc)…. I don’t need them but YOU will when reassembling. Be careful if separating the housings, if done unevenly or without consideration you can also very easily damage the turbine wheel. Also be advised their is a small little dowel pin that ALWAYS GETS BUSTED.... PLEASE take care to separate 9b cartridge from the turbine housing. It goes straight off, tap around the perimeter of the turbine housing with a hammer while holding the compressor housing slightly elevated with your left hand. WD-40 or Pbblaster may also help. Do not try to do some serious prying to separate the housings, the tapping should work fine (you can do minor prying after the housings have separated quite a bit). And dont try to twist the housing off... or that little pin will break... and I will have to spend some time on repairing it! Sometimes this pin will break however, and when it does don’t worry we will repair it free of charge. You can also send in your complete 9B turbochargers and I will disassemble them and send you back the remains. For those packaging and working with these housings, I do recommend leaving the turbos fully assembled during shipment to protect the wheels from damage. Otherwise pack them VERY well and secure to not be hindered by being dropped or thrown about. Also be aware that the wastegate flapper arm easily bends if too much pressure is exerted on it. They can be bent back for the most part but it is only soo many times before that thing breaks off. I am not sure where a replacement for that could be found, may have to be custom machined or something. I once received a package with turbos that had the turbine housings removed and had little turbine wheel protection and some wheel fins were bent up pretty good during shipment. I did what I can to straighten them out, but I can’t guarantee perfection and am unsure how this could affect the performance and life of the turbo. So wrap and PROTECT your turbo components like they were glass if you insist on shipping without the turbine housings!
Where to buy the WRX turbos:
http://forum.wrx.com.au/
http://www.clubwrx.net/
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/
http://www.ebay.com
Friends, Family, etc.
WRX Turbo performance:
Have yet to find a flow chart for the WRX TD04 13T turbo. On the WRX boards they post the 13G flow chart when someone asks about the stock WRX turbo, the 13g is MUCH smaller in comparison to the 13T so I highly doubt they are equivalent. Because of this and the lack of overall results, one can not without a doubt say that it is better or worse than a 15g, DR500, etc. However, based on compressor wheel (and housing) and the turbine wheel (and housing) dimensions I THINK it very well could be similar or superior in performance while at a fraction of the cost. I have heard reports of these holding OVER 20psi thru redline thus far... but personally only can vouch for 16.5psi as my car has been apart for ever. CANENAC/AdamVR4 have seen over 20psi to redline on their dyno days. Here are some links that have drag times and a dyno pull.
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205193
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=226352
Here is the latest and Greatest RobBeck 13T Dyno info, CANENACs car Tuned By AdamVR4 (464AWHP/491LB/FT Torque) :
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=256441
Jason_99ozGS has the current Pump Gas ET Record of 12.48@111mph @14-15psi in a Full weight 94 6 speed on a stock air meter and very simple supporting mods in 93* St. Louis summer heat.
jet has leaped into the race gas ET/MPH record with a 11.8@118 at higher boost levels and nearly NO mods at all, main mod being RobBeck 13T's.
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=288329
