there is a white es that has what sounds like what you are saying i havent been able to talk to the owner so i dont know if it was like that origionally

 

you have any pics of it?

how many owners before you?

 

or else possibly its a canadian-spec stealth?

oh sure! blame it on the Canadians! Aren't they whipped enough by Americans?

Can't help ya dude..Mabey you got a Stealth built on a monday and the workers weren't quite awake yet, who knows. I'd be interested to know what you find out though.

 

there was only one owner before me, who as I said above, I questioned about it and talked to him about it.

heres pics of it when I got it:

<img src="http://www.3si.org/portal/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1514617">

 

Definitely not factory. I guess it could be some wacky dealer option package, but that's a lot of work to go through just to make some dealer optioned car.

 

What makes you argue its not factory?

How do you explain the tranny and alternator?

At first I was under the impression that the dealer did do the sides to improve the visual aspect of it. The guy I bought the car from said he was about to buy the R/T, but that the dodge dealer got in the ES, and he checked it out, and it looked the "same" to him, and had all the same features, except the climate control. He said he saved a few thousand bucks on it, so what the hell..

well, he didnt know much about cars, but he was a good owner- saved all receipts, ETC, including oil change receipts.

I mean I know i've heard the rumours that a few cars did come like this from the factory, but I just assumed it was a rumour, or else a dealer or someone did it.

but when you put it together-
slightly different tranny
Slighty different alternator
Different body panels
since this car coming in new stopped his purchase of the RT, The dealer only had it a day or 2 before the guy I bought the car from bought it, not much time to put the panels on and paint it...

maybe the rumours werent so untrue??? Maybe there were a few of these?

 

what are talking about a trans not fittingunless if for some reason they f'd up and sent you an awd tranny. the only other difference i can think of between the fwd trannies is 2nd gens had a different diff i believe so maybe the axles didn't fit. There is no difference between an RT (non turbo) and an ES trans or fwd 3kgt for that matter as long as it was for the proper generation. I think if your rear bumper was repainted and your molding all the way around, the car was hit at one point in time, that could explain it. I never saw an es with rt side skirts.

(EDIT) I just noticed It has a black roof too so maybe it is an RT, it got hit front and rear and they used ES front and rear bumpers to fix it.

--aaron

 

are u sure the rear bumper wasnt from a 2nd gen? cuz those were body colored

 

What makes you argue its not factory?

The factory has the bumpers on an automated assembly line to be painted specific colors. They would not reprogram the assembly line to spray ONE (or a few) bumpers in a non-standard color scheme.

How do you explain the tranny and alternator?

Tranny: Dealership ordered the wrong part. It wouldn't be the first time.
Alternator: Take your pick. Possible accident during assembly, they ran out of 90amp so they used the 100 amp units to keep production moving, mislabeled...

The guy I bought the car from said he was about to buy the R/T, but that the dodge dealer got in the ES, and he checked it out, and it looked the "same" to him, and had all the same features, except the climate control. He said he saved a few thousand bucks on it, so what the hell..

The dealer is an idiot then (wow, big surprise there) The NA R/Ts had a lot of things the ES didnt. Power leather interior, ECS, climate control...couple other small things.

I just noticed It has a black roof too so maybe it is an RT, it got hit front and rear and they used ES front and rear bumpers to fix it.

The base and ES models that had the large style glass roof also had black painted roofs. I've seen several like that. Looks pretty good IMHO

maybe the rumours werent so untrue??? Maybe there were a few of these?

Based on the dealership books that have come up on Ebay and through private hands in the past, there was no way for a dealer to order one of these freak ES models. This isn't like Porsche where they can tell the factory to paint your car in whatever shade of fuscha you want. Mitsubishi cranked these things out at the rate of hundreds per day, with no room for little one-off custom jobs like that. They're simply not equipped for it.

Dealerships often sell cars to each other based on supply and demand. Even if the car came off the truck with 12 miles and was untitled, it's possible another dealer had it first and made those changes.

I don't know how it happened, but I'm almost completely certain that it did not come off the Nagoya assembly line like that.

 

if it was an rt it would have the different painted sail pannels

 

So I guess you all are right,

By freak accident it got a different alternater

By Freak accident

By freak accident some random dealor changed the side panels and painted the front before sending it to another dealer

The dealer is an idiot then (wow, big surprise there)

The guy that BOUGHT the car couldnt tell a difference:

The NA R/Ts had a lot of things the ES didnt. Power leather interior, ECS, climate control...couple other small things.[/

What are some of the other things?




Im just trying to figure out whats going on, because it seems like so much doesnt match up, and it causes a lot of trouble (like when you buy an alternator and it doesnt work)

Im still going to look into it more. I think possibly its a canadian model- does anyone know more about those?

if it is a canadian model, then the only unexplainable so for is the side panels.

 

The guy that BOUGHT the car couldnt tell a difference:

he couldnt tell the difference between the front/rear bumpers, the different taillights, and the fact that the R/T pup-ups are painted black?

 

canadian models are in km so if ur speedo goes to 160 its not canadian

 

he couldnt tell the difference between the front/rear bumpers, the different taillights, and the fact that the R/T pup-ups are painted black?

Well im sure he could tell a difference, but not significant enough difference to spend the extra few ks on it...

I talked to my mechanic, and we think we found out the issue:

Its got all TT parts on it, with an exception of the Turbos, yet the VIN on the engine matches the VIN on the rest of the car... he suggests that it could be a would be TT but it was near the end of the production line, so they kind of "used the leftover parts"... dont know how I can research this more though...

 

Well im sure he could tell a difference, but not significant enough difference to spend the extra few ks on it...

I talked to my mechanic, and we think we found out the issue:

Its got all TT parts on it, with an exception of the Turbos, yet the VIN on the engine matches the VIN on the rest of the car... he suggests that it could be a would be TT but it was near the end of the production line, so they kind of "used the leftover parts"... dont know how I can research this more though...

so they just didnt have any turbo's, IC's, front bumpers, rear bumpers, rear taillights, turn signals/snake eyes, interior comforts, wheels, valve covers, and rear pillar trim, differential, rear end setup for AWD at the factory; so they jsut threw on ES stuff to compensate?

 

Its got all TT parts on it, with an exception of the Turbos, yet the VIN on the engine matches the VIN on the rest of the car... he suggests that it could be a would be TT but it was near the end of the production line, so they kind of "used the leftover parts"... dont know how I can research this more though...

I'd have serious doubts about that mechanic as well

If you want to send me the VIN (post here, PM, whatever) I can run it through CAPS and clear some of this up. It'll tell us exactly what chassis code it is, what engine it was meant to have, and a whole lot of other things. I won't be able to clear up the sideskirt issue since CAPS doesn't have the Dodge specific parts, but I can definitely nail down the mechanical issues.

 

I was thinking the opposite... an ES that happens to have the TT motor in it, which, if I know correctly pretty much means jack... lol. Things such as that have been done with other cars, why not ours as well?

 

if ur ES did infact have a TT motor, then it wouldnt be very fast...what with the low compression and all.

 

"Its got all TT parts on it, with an exception of the Turbos, yet the VIN on the engine matches the VIN on the rest of the car... he suggests that it could be a would be TT but it was near the end of the production line, so they kind of "used the leftover parts"..."

Your mechanic needs to pull his head out of his ass. The car came optioned for a premium stereo- whoopie shit. That's the difference for your alternator. Whether it made it to the lot with such is a nonfactor. Wow, a premium wiring harness. What, does that mean every trunk lid manufactured was destined for a VR-4? Because the majority sure do come with the Active Aero wiring. Gosh, what they all coulda been. The wires are there! Maybe lots of people have these no-turbo turbo'd non-turbos!

Dealers don't spend the thousands of dollars to add racing stripes to cars. They spend $1.95 for some pinstriping and charge you $300 for a "limited edition package. "Oh, what about the Indy Pace Cars?! Those are special and were options!". Every turbo 1991 Stealth came from the factory with those stickers. Most dealers didn't bother scuffing up a $36K automobile to make it look tacky. Then again, some people actually paid cash money for a "dealer option" that wasn't. For shame. But let's all get excited when somebody shows up with a couple feet of vinyl plastered on the car.

Your car did not come with "all TT parts on it, with an exception of the Turbos", as your wrench turner tells it. The block that matches your frame with a "different" transmission would require a different oil pan to be from a turbo model. Said oil pan would need to be blocked off at the oil return ports- not something you'd roll off the assembly line with, let alone the showroom floor. And I hate to tell you, but anyone with any justifiable worth to be putting a 6G72 togather can tell the difference between a turbo piston and N/A visually (which, in an engine shop wil be quite redially available to those putting them togather for a production line), and would recognize the difference between the blocks, even if they'd not paid one bit of attention otherwise, when they turned the stand over to install the crank mains, et al. in sequence.

Cope with the fact that your car got hammered, and a previous owner either was cheap and had used side skirts installed, or thought it was cute and used part of the accident premium to replace them.

 

Why you got to attack me all of a sudden? Im trying to figure out, not argue...

I dont see why some people have to be so pissy about it...

OK so I believe everybody in what they said, but I think that makes it special... not "better" or anything, but kinda fun/special... I mean, so it has a different alternator, and a different tranny code. Maybe it got hit while being unloaded at a dealer or whatever, so it came with R/T sides, which personally I find appealing.

However, you can't make all your assumptions... you cant say "it was hit as it was unloaded"... maybe it was, or maybe it was done intentionally by a dealer... which still makes it cool... whatever the case...

I just though t that was kind of interesting. If you dont think so, then good for you, dont waste time on this post.

Thanks

 

partyboy what the hell are you talking about?
you're the first one that got shitty with anyone

So I guess you all are right,

By freak accident it got a different alternater

By Freak accident

By freak accident some random dealor changed the side panels and painted the front before sending it to another dealer

thats sounds like someone is being a bit snappy.....

whats up with the double standards?


anyways-
does your car have ECS or any other RT options in it?
find out if anything other than the sail panels and alternator are RT parts

 

did the bases still have the comp screen for the climate control? My guess, and it ahs already been said before, is that the cars was crashed at some point and was not reported to the insurance company, leaving the title clean, otherwise, maybe that is why the guy saved a couple of thousand dollars like you said. I wouldn't worry about it too much, atleast you have a truly original looking and built 3S, which I seriously doubt anyone has a matching copy.

 

did the bases still have the comp screen for the climate control?

They usually don't, but some have installed the digital climate control on their own or sometimes it might come as a special dealer-package.

 

maybe your car was in an accident and pieced together with a wrecked or stolen vehicle.

ive read about a few stealths that came with a dealer option body kit for the es. someone even posted pics of his car with the kit on a few weeks back....but it just doesnt make sense why a dealer would go to the trouble to replace the side skirts and a few things under the hood just to make a sale.

also you can run the numbers on your vin to see where it fell on the production line to test the left over parts theory but that doesnt sound right either.

oh, what year is your car??

 

from what i gather from all this:

you have an ES which someone slapped RT sideskirts on and painted to match the car along with the black strip on the bumpers

your alternator has been replaced

they ordered the wrong transmission for you

i dont understand what the big mystery is

he suggests that it could be a would be TT but it was near the end of the production line, so they kind of "used the leftover parts"...

you can rule that out, because the NA and the TT arent exactly the same car underneath when it comes to the rear structure. A car that starts out a TT is gonna end up as a TT.