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Open Loop Vs. Closed loop

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#1 ·
Hey guys! I have a searched the forums and have not been able to find a definative answer to my question.

Can anyone explain to me exactly when our 1st Gen ECU's are operating in closed loop. I.e. Cold start, Idle, Light Cruise, Boost, WOT. I have been watching my logger but am still confused as to when each mode is used.

Thanx in advance.
 
#4 ·
Same as above, engine temp at 50c or higher, cruising conditions.

If you have a look for the Fuel maps, every cell that shows 14.7:1 aft will be close loop.
 
#7 ·
If you have a look for the Fuel maps, every cell that shows 14.7:1 aft will be close loop.
Not really. It's not using the fuel enrichment map when it's in closed loop. It's doesn't need to do that map lookup since the target AFR while in closed loop is always 14.7:1 +- the fuel dither that causes the sensor to switch and the current fuel trim.

We'll know more for sure once we get the actual code disassembled but this is the way it works on the other ECUs.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Open loop= 02 sensors ignored
Closed loop= 02 sensors read

There are a few miscellaneous sensors that are ignored as well in closed loop. Closed loop occurs at cold start until engine reaches approximately 140 F when atomization occurs.

Woops I had gotten the closed loop and open loop backwards
 
#6 ·
Closed loop= 02 sensors ignored
Open loop= 02 sensors read

There are a few miscellaneous sensors that are ignored as well in closed loop. Closed loop occurs at cold start until engine reaches approximately 140 F when atomization occurs.
^^^ Jesus, you couldn`t have got it more wrong if you tried..
 
#8 ·
Jeff Lucius at stealth316.com said:
Closed Loop Control (Feedback Control)
In closed-loop mode, the ECU is using oxygen sensor voltage (see figure above) in a feedback loop to restrict the air-fuel ratio to a narrow range where the catalytic converter is most efficient. That range is A/F equal to 14.7 plus or minus 1% air (0.99-1.01% lambda, where a theoretical lambda of 1.0 equals an A/F of 14.7), or ~14.55 to ~14.85 A/F. The oxygen sensor indicates a (theoretical) stoichiometric air-fuel mixture (A/F equal to ~14.7) with a voltage typically in the range of 0.45 to 0.5 volts. When the sensor output is greater than this range, there is much less oxygen in the exhaust gas than in the atmosphere and the mixture is rich (A/F is less than ~14.7). When there is excess oxygen concentration in the exhaust gas, that is, as the oxygen content approaches that of the atmosphere, the sensor sends a signal less than 0.45 to 0.50 volts to indicate a lean mixture (A/F is greater than ~14.7). If fuel injection is stopped in the engine, oxygen content in the exhaust stream will equal that in the atmosphere and the O2 sensor voltage output will be zero. Typically the ECU uses a reference voltage of about 0.4 V, which is just on the lean side of ~14.7, or a lambda ~= 0.995. The ECU reacts to these rich and lean signals by reducing and increasing, respectively, the injector activation duration. By using this feedback control to maintain the oxygen content in the exhaust stream within a very narrow range, the three-way catalytic converter operates at its peak efficiency to reduce carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbon (HC), and nitrous oxides (NOx) emissions.

Closed loop mode is used generally during warm idle, low-load cruising, and low-load acceleration to reduce engine emissions. Best fuel economy actually occurs with a slightly lean mixture, with A/F a little more than 16. Despite the need to reduce emissions, there are certain operating conditions where closed loop mode is not used in order to prevent overheating the catalytic converter or driveability problems. These situations include:

* While cranking the engine.
* During engine warmup when the coolant temperature is below 45ÂşC (113ÂşF).
* During strong acceleration or deceleration.
* During high-load operation.
* When the oxygen sensor is not functioning properly.


Open Loop Control (Preset Map Control)

In open-loop mode, generally during moderate-load and high-load acceleration, the ECU is not using the oxygen sensor information and instead relies on preset maps stored in ROM (read-only memory). These maps use engine speed and A/N to modify the basic injector activation time toward a target A/F. A/N is equivalent to engine load and is the amount of intake air into each cylinder per engine revolution. As mentioned above, correction factors are applied to the map-adjusted drive times. Using information from the wizards who de-code the DSM ECUs, our 3S ECU, which has similar programming, will select open-loop mode regardless of engine load when the following occur.

* Throttle opening is above a certain value (maybe between 20 and 35 percent, and this value decreases with engine rpm).
* Vehicle speed exceeds a certain value (maybe between 60 and 80 mph).
* Engine speed exceeds a certain value (~5000 rpm for my '92 TT parked).

I do not know exactly what these values are for all models under all engine operating conditions. If you have been datalogging during a wide variety of driving conditions you may be able to determine the approximate throttle opening and car speed that forces open-loop mode for your car.
 
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