go to the source!

Who actually manufactures these parts?

 

I have a friend of a friend (engineering drinking buddy in other words) that works for Getrag. I'll get his phone number tomorrow (if possible) and give him a ring...

Wayne

go to the source!

Who actually manufactures these parts?

 

Does this include very simple components... like synchros? Or is it more a problem with gears/bearings/races/shift rods/forks/etc?

What is the contact for CRS?

Rob

 

When I was ordering parts for my rebuild a couple months back I was already having trouble getting certain parts, luckiliy for me what CRS didn't have Kormex did

 

I wonder if the owner of TRE could help with this?

 

Dont they primarily deal with the DSM trannies? If so, they are not Getrag are they? I wonder how many similar components the boxes have if they are bot Getrag?

I wonder if the owner of TRE could help with this?

 

I know they do work on 3si now. When I talked to the owner of TRE he said he could get getrag parts anytime. He was also commenting on how hard it was to acquire those parts.

 

TRE also gets their parts direct from CRS. They have the resources to duplicate some of our more simple parts, but not to the level and price of CRS. Fact is, unless Mitsu gets a contract with someone to get more Getrag parts for us, we are done with DIY major tranny repairs...

I know they do work on 3si now. When I talked to the owner of TRE he said he could get getrag parts anytime. He was also commenting on how hard it was to acquire those parts.

 

So what are the people like me(18yo makin $12/hr) gunna do when our tranny goes?

 

well that's just great.

 

Spoke to a buddy of mine, we talked about this for about an hour. We figured that we are both looking for better jobs and being that both of us have experience in running/starting a business that we could possibly start a new company to get these parts. We would work directly with the 3si community and with Getrag to get parts actively and work to improve parts and make upgrades possible. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, we will meet tomorrow and see if its worth investing in and go from there.

-Geoff

 

such bad news on the day before I call in my order ((((((((((

 

CRS has been taking parts out of their rebuild stock. They are not a parts supplier but have been very nice to us in selling us some of their stock. Unfortunately their hands are tied in this matter. I know some engineering buddies back in MI who may be able to help me. Another buddy of mine has a relitive who works at Getrag. I'll see what I can turn up there. If you know any one in Getrag or Mitsubishi who may be able to help then go ahead and see what you can figure out. May be if they see several of us trying from many different parts of the country they will start to figure it out.

As for the rebuilds out there, you just have to e-mail or call in your order and hope they have it. If CRS or Kormex don't have the parts then you'll just haveto wait for them to turn up some where. Sucks I know but lets not start blaming CRS or Kormex. They are very valueable assets to us.

As for starting a company that can get us Getrag parts any time, that wouldb e great. But I doubt you would be able to make it worth your time financially speaking. I'd hate for a fellow member's bussiness to go under because it was TOO specialized. If you are going to open a speed shop you have to focus on more than one car and you have to know those cars like the back of your hand.

If any one can contact Getrag and get some info then go ahead and do it. Don't go off on them, just figure out what would have to happen to get parts out of them. We could use some contacts on the Mitsubishi side also. I don't want both sides to end up saying it's the others responceability.

 

There's a Getrag office about 20 minutes from my place. I'm willing to go over there in person if the need arises.

 

Try to find a used trans or throw your car in the garbage.

Rob

So what are the people like me(18yo makin $12/hr) gunna do when our tranny goes?

 

here's another thought that hasn't been tackled yet. what if somebody found a high-end machine shop that would be able to simply remake these parts for us as needed? we find a few perfectly new ones for them to reference and get their measurements from. it would take some time if they didn't want to carry anything in stock, but slow is better than nothing. i'm sure after some orders roll through that they'd start making a few extras of the more common parts.

i'm not sure if patent laws would become an issue or not. there are lots of companies out there that make parts identical to OEM that aren't a part of or in league with the original manufacturer.

i have a friend of the family who owns a super-precision machine shop, but i'm not sure if this is something he would tackle or not. i'll find out.

there's a lot more to be discussed and explored with that, but i'm in a bit of a rush.

also, would somebody be willing to write up a petition letter that we could send around and send to Mitsu and Getrag? not that i think it will do a whole lot of good, but at least then they will be aware of our views.

with this being mostly/all about money for them, if we end up totalling out our marvelous 3/s's, what do they currently offer for us as a replacement? nothing. performance-wise, the two closest would be the Viper and Evo. the Viper is way too spendy, and the Evo has no chance of comparing with our cars on numerous levels. I guess if our 3/s's broke, we'd all have find another manufacturer that will fit our needs. Sorry Mitsu, if you pull these parts and i need them, its full-time back to Mazdas for me.

 

Getrag's a big company right? Who supplies their parts for other model trannies?

 

Mazda :shake: good thing you are a mechanic.

 

I have no clue what these parts look like. How many machining operations would be requiered. does anyone have some pictures to look at. Also the materials thay are made out of.

thanks
sam

 

Mazda :shake: good thing you are a mechanic.

lol, no love for the rotary engine here! i know and love rotary engines. always will and nothing can change that. i'm just glad cars aren't women...i can love/have more than one without them getting pissed at each other AND me.

back on topic...i called the guy that i know and he's going to look into some stuff on his end of it to see if he'd even be willing to do a test run. he said it might take a while though. he's also a bit leary since legal concerns might be an issue. he said he'd get in touch with his lawyer and have him check on some stuff. with any luck, he'll be able to come through for us.

one thing that i wasn't able to answer for him (which will be a large factor) is what sort of volume would he be looking at? if you guys could help me out with that, it'd be great.

 

what sort of volume would he be looking at? if you guys could help me out with that, it'd be great.

With our $hitty trannies I would expect volume to be somewhat high, especially on syhcros. Looking at the schematic for the tranny there seems to be a million little parts in there but for the most part there are just a handfull that tend to break. On my rebuild I had to do all the sunchros and shift forks. Volume might be hard to calculate because I'm guessing certain times of the year are busier than others due to most ppl taking their car down for winter rebuild and maintnance...

 

well that sux I need a new trany damnit.

I guess I will look into the option of getting one from a wreaking yard but you never know what your getting with those.

 

Unless it's a shaft, gear, or case, used parts are out of the question. And even some of these parts have become hard to impossible to find. Machineing copies of these parts is too time comsuming, pricey, and too much research (initial cost) is involved. It's no more practical than what we have right now.

In any case, we need OEM parts from Getrag through Getrag them selves or Mitsubishi. Bearings and seals we can get pretty easy. Thanks to Kormex we can get output shafts and SOME used hard parts. That still leaves a lot to be desired though.

Gatecrasher - If you could get a phone number for that Getrag office to me in a PM I would appreciate it. Thanks.

 

Why is it hard to make synchros and blocking rings? Can they be CNCd or do they need to be cast and treated? If they need casting or forging, if I can get a sample of one, I can ask my cousin how much it would cost to make them. He owns a forging/casting company that specializes in truck/tractor parts (gears, pistons, etc.)

Sam

 

We've really only got two wear parts that I know of in this transmission.

Syncros, primarily 1st and 2nd, and the VCU. We don't honestly know enough about the VCUs to tell how many of them fail or partially fail, but if we ever need to replace them, we'd have a big problem on our hands.

I think I may need to renew my quest for a limited slip center differential.