everyone on this forum would be on that system if it worked in my opinion

 

yea my step dad showed me this from a guy at work who ordered a kit dont know where from though.
YouTube - Stan Meyer - hydrogen oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy
YouTube - Stan Meyer - Water Fuel Cell

 

- Rep

Search, this same bullshit thread has been created a couple times in the last few weeks. You could also search google, the EPA, mythbusters, etc. The list goes on and on. Its all snakeoil.

 

Just an FYI. This is nit snake oil. There was a car dealer in Texas, in 1939 and all his cars ran on water. He was put out of business by you know who.

You can run your lawn mover easy, as that does not take much fuel. You can build that device for about $20.00.
That same device will help improve your car milage as well. the more units you install, the less gas you will burn. This is all 2nd grade science projects.
The problem is in seperating the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen at a rate that is compatable to our needs. It can be done, But keep in mind that you do not want to make extra, it need to be made on demand. Thats the hard part...Plan on running 2 alts. Takes a lot of DC. About 10 amps at 12 volt to run a lawn mower.
1 Gal. of water has the same energy potential as 1,833 gals of gas. That is why it is a no no and can not be sold as a bolt on. you can make all the stuff to do it your self, just not sell it.

I am pulling the rest of my thread, as you all need to decide for you selves what to do.

 

oh yea they call it HHO

 

besides, distilled water costs almost as much as gas anyway.

 

Actually if you watched the videos you would have caught it runs on city water, well water, snow, AND sea water. In fact the military is looking at using these water cells in tanks. Kinda harsh of him to get a neg rep for posting this

 

It's been done before, a long time ago, you just don't know about it. There have been a few people who have done it.

But, they were all shut up, killed, or paid off. Imagine what the world would be like if anyone could make or get their hands on a "free" energy device.

 

If that is true it was not simply electrolysis like these kits on the internet are using.


And the "facts" they tell you to sell you such things aren't quite accurate.

 

alskinyguy---

this is not the same BS thread...I did search for water for gas on here and could not find anything.....I havent logged or even used this in months..(vr4 failed smog...and just sits in garage as it was my sunday driver anyway).
I was just screwing around at work.(hey its friday)...and this stuff semed interesting...


Now I find this Hybrid Hydrogen Car : Aquygen™ Gas : Hydrogen Technology Applications guy named denny klein...
and also some fox news/ youtube video of it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8...I guess its called brown gas and he didnt really invent it, but just is utlizing itin a way to power cars and similar to running a car on hydrogen with out the fuel cell... I was hoping someone on here and used or has some specific technical reasons to debunk or validate this. matt monet or jeff lucius > out there?

IF water alcohol injection lowers cylinder temps/allows more power without detonation, then maybe this thing which puts hydrogen (more power then free air) in the equation has some merit...I will do more research this weekend... I dont mind putting gas in the VR4 when I do drive it, cause I get my monies worth...but filling up my SUV (which I have to have for kids/dogsetc) and getting 11-12MPG...is getting pathetic at 4$/gal...more XBOX/movietime I guess

 

ok I have done some more research...
Here is a guy who puts up FREE online plans in adobe PDF...
So if he is giving info away free....maybe worth a look...
here is the link--


http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/

 

Coincidence??? I think not

 

This article might help you...........High octane is so much better, but you can do what ever you want.
<br/>EcoGeek - Technology for the Environment

 

This is so funny! A guy at work is building a 16 gallon hyrogen generator powerd by his car alternator. I tried to explain this is all BS and won't help lower his dollars/mile. He is going to put that thing in his car anyway, it must weigh 140 lbs.

 

It doesn't suprise me people are getting taken advantage of like this though. Its just like those tornado intake inserts that were selling on tv and ebay. total BS! Its not the publics fault though. Its the con artists who sell this kind of stuff and profit from it. Engineers know more than the public realize. Its just they would rather listen to the snake oil salesman. Magic in a bottle! see the bubbles! It must be true! Ignore the draw on the engine from the alternator behind the curtain.

 

I rather just the conventional gas nozzle up my ass.

 

If you have a high school education you would not get enough education to understand how it would work. Maybe we can get person with PhD’s in electromagnetism to participate in this car forum. The major contributor is the use of the frequency of the electricity to fracture the molecules more efficiently. The energy measured in a vacuum that had people confused is called scalar waves they are abundant and a source for energy. The scalar waves show us that energy exists even in a vacuum. So it is not that we are getting something from nothing just making use of another kind of energy. Remember that we have been cracking atoms since the sixties and realized that subatomic theory doesn't make sense unless you throw in some random variables IE that we don’t know as much as we think we do and that resonance and matter have more forms than we are aware of. That being said the correct frequency of electricity will cause the molecules to resonate and release the bonds in the water.

 

What are you talking about? Electrolysis has nothing to do with the "correct frequency of electricity".

And the whole point of extracting anything from what you guys call zero point energy is moot, since IF it does exist, it is inextractable anyway.

There are quite a few theories that set what we know on its head though - one of which I am working with for my master's right now.

 

And that frequency is?

 

1.21 gigawatts .....


Sorry I could'nt help myself. Interesting stuff though!!


Shane

 

I actually know a few people who are trying it, one of them I work with and he JUST put it on his car so we have no result, but the guy I sold my base to put the device on his 92 cavilier and said hes getting 60mpg now. He didn't do it to the 3000gt (phew) but he is reporting mileage increase. He then put one on his friends 03 Ram and got mixed results.

 

/facepalm

 

This is a really good thread, those that believe and those that don't. I can say that some of you are on the right track.
There is a 2nd variable to extracting the energy from water and it is frequency. I can tell you if you get it right, You can make a 10 gal fish tank of water disapear right in front of you. Go play. you just might save the world. And if you live on the coast, use the salt water. Works best.

 

YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON.

DC != FREQUENCY

 

btw, i do know people that are trying it but I'm still not convinced. No way in hell am I trying it on one of my cars. One of the major faults I see with this project is that the high majority of the people that are doing it aren't using any kind of scan tools or data loggers to actually see what's changing aside from mpg.

 

if they had some proven facts from a dynometer or something i would be more interested. i'd like to get one to put on a geo metro and see how many miles i could get... i think the only flaw would be it not working and you sucking water into your engine, because most of us are not mechanical engineers but we still know you can't compress water.

 

I'm glad there is so much love in the room right now.

Ulrich- Are you saying that this HHO is entirely impossible and impractical? Are Stan Meyer and Honda just full of shit, or is there a future to this science? I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of these "kits" are bogus, but there does seem to be some potential to this source of energy.

 

I don't think that is what he was saying. Yes Hydrogen is a potential power source and already in use with Hydrogen powered cars.

I believe the real debate here is a bolt on device that can work with our gasoline engines to run better with water. Yes you can build a specific engine (generator etc) to run on a lot of different combustible fluids or gasses. Doesn't mean you can easily or even possibly interchange the fuel between them.

-John

 

Here's the only car that I know of that can run on water.

YouTube - Driving on Water

 

My thing is if they can make a lotus elise scuba version then they sure as hell can make a car run on water.

 

I nominate galant101 for complete fucking douchebag and/or idiot of the year, based on all the completely useless posts of his that I made the mistake of reading.

Second?

 

Wow Did you think that up all by yourself, Good Job Fonzie!!!

Back to the topic. I think its possible but nobody want to do from fear of the govt you know how easy it is for them to make someone dissappear.