hideous too.Jspec said:i dont' know..but damn those 80s volvo sure is worth alot...![]()
but like i said, if you could afford a $45,000 new car then you could probably afford a $65,000 new Viper as well (I'm pretty sure the early vipers sold in the 60k range. Hell even in 2002 I saw several in the 70k range new).Mitsusl said:The VR-4 and Supra TT was priced just about the same, at ~$45k new in the last few years of production.
Its going to take a bit more than that to buy a new Viper.![]()
Although it might make sense to you, your reasoning is flawed. Its like saying if a person could have gotten a $15k care then they could have gotten a $30k car. Obviously they stayed at a certain price range for a reason. It might have been driven by priorities instead of need but it doesn't hold much water. I can see it havin to do with lack of market though because VR-4's never sold enough either.Senlur said:
but like i said, if you could afford a $45,000 new car then you could probably afford a $65,000 new Viper as well (I'm pretty sure the early vipers sold in the 60k range. Hell even in 2002 I saw several in the 70k range new).
I read on several websites that the reason given for the end of the Stealths was the 'lack of a market for a midrange-priced sports car" or something.
Actually it is your reasoning that is flawed. "Staying in a certain price range for a reason" is something that a person does if they're on a budget (ie, paying $15,000 for a car). Someone is less likely to be on a "budget" if they are shelling out 45,000 for a car in the first place. Personally if I had the money to blow on a $40,000+ Stealth I'd just hold off for a year or two until I could afford the MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE $60,000+ Viper.Ajabs said:
Although it might make sense to you, your reasoning is flawed. Its like saying if a person could have gotten a $15k care then they could have gotten a $30k car. Obviously they stayed at a certain price range for a reason. It might have been driven by priorities instead of need but it doesn't hold much water. I can see it havin to do with lack of market though because VR-4's never sold enough either.
I am not speaking about car shoppers that go out shopping with a price range in MIND. I doubt most people who were driving around new Stealths, Supras, Vettes, etc, were thinking "I only want to spend (insert amount) on my crazy expensive sports car" to begin with.Ajabs said:In business and marketing you will learn that no matter what, people have shown over and over again that the bottom line is price. People looking for a car in the 40k price range are as much on a budget as people in the 15k price range. It doesn't vary with wealth.
The reason for their demise has been stated over and over again to be market demand because not enough people were willing to shell out 45k for the vr4 and the base and SL were not bringing in a profit.
There are different markets for everyone but by having base and middle models at such different price ranges, car makers sometimes fall in the trap of trying to please too many people and grab too many buyers. Mitsubishi got a little bit of each market instead of focusing on marketing a vr-4 in the luxury or performance market alone. Or they could have chosen to simply make only base models and catered to a different market almost like integras, preludes, etc...
In the end, if you were going to pay 40k for a car, thats what you were going to pay! The wallet doesn't suddenly stretch and give rich people more leeway!
Using your point that when people go out to buy a car they might not have a budget. Rather they might be looking for speed or traction or flashiness or whatever. But in the end as badly as you want that viper that fits your needs exactly you just might not be able to afford it. You seem to be hitting on the flexibility of the wallet and how you get "what you want" in the end. But you don't.. You get what you can afford or you end up handing the car back in to the dealership or creditors within a few months when you default on the loan. There is a huge black line and its called money and it rules the world. Thats why people have different clothing, houses, cars, priveleges etc. As much as you want things, you can't always have 'em.I think their price is what lead to their demise. If you were going to pay the $35,000-$45,000 for a sports car you could probably afford to shell out another $10,000-$20,000 and buy a Supra or a Viper, both of which were better known. I blame the Viper especially for phasing out the Stealth. When you bought a VR-4 you could say you had Mitsu's TOP OF THE LINE car, but the Stealth was overshadowed by the Viper.
I agree that neither is giving, so it's pointless to keep debating it. I do agree that if you cannot AFFORD more than 45k then obviously you aren't gonna pay more than that, but my point has not been toward those buyers - it's toward the buyers who were shopping for a sports car, not for a sports car in the 45k price range.Ajabs said:I don't want to get into titles and my SAT and my gpa and my job title this that and blah blah.. It seems we're both sticking to our guns so it doesn't pay to keep jockeying back and forth so feel free to respond but after this I am done... That said, if other people want to chime in go ahead but I am done.
My original premise still stands in response to your original statement :
Using your point that when people go out to buy a car they might not have a budget. Rather they might be looking for speed or traction or flashiness or whatever. But in the end as badly as you want that viper that fits your needs exactly you just might not be able to afford it. You seem to be hitting on the flexibility of the wallet and how you get "what you want" in the end. But you don't.. You get what you can afford or you end up handing the car back in to the dealership or creditors within a few months when you default on the loan. There is a huge black line and its called money and it rules the world. Thats why people have different clothing, houses, cars, priveleges etc. As much as you want things, you can't always have 'em.
Using your point that when people go out to buy a car they might not have a budget. Rather they might be looking for speed or traction or flashiness or whatever. But in the end as badly as you want that viper that fits your needs exactly you just might not be able to afford it. You seem to be hitting on the flexibility of the wallet and how you get "what you want" in the end. But you don't.. You get what you can afford or you end up handing the car back in to the dealership or creditors within a few months when you default on the loan. There is a huge black line and its called money and it rules the world. Thats why people have different clothing, houses, cars, priveleges etc. As much as you want things, you can't always have 'em.I think their price is what lead to their demise. If you were going to pay the $35,000-$45,000 for a sports car you could probably afford to shell out another $10,000-$20,000 and buy a Supra or a Viper, both of which were better known. I blame the Viper especially for phasing out the Stealth. When you bought a VR-4 you could say you had Mitsu's TOP OF THE LINE car, but the Stealth was overshadowed by the Viper.