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EDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: Bill is currently helping me out with this hood situation and I should be able to get it to fit perfectly with some minor tweaking (FREE FIXES). Deft Racing definitely stands behind their product and if it isn't right, they will make it right! Thanks again for the support Bill! I am a happy customer once again. The remainder of this thread is old and can be locked.

CHECK THE LAST POST TO SEE THE RESULTS. BILL DEFT HELPED ME SORT ALL THE BUGS OUT. THANKS AGAIN!!




















Well, IT finally came time to fit my top secret hood on my car, and I had a few surprises. Here are some pictures. First off, here is the stock hood (THe front bumper and headlights are off my car and the car hasn't run in 1.5 years, so it is fairly dirty)



This is the passenger side of my hood. I took ALL the bumpstops out because I had fitted the carbon fiber TS hood earlier. I'll explain that in a bit. As you can see, my stock hood without the bumps sits below fender level




Here are the gaps on the front fender with the stock hood. They are the same. I needed to keep the bumpstop on the front driverside corner for the TS hood. Also will explain in a bit.




Here are the rear sections of the stock hood. Pretty even on both sides, and came level with the fenders in the rear. with the bumpstops installed, I would consider this hood to have perfect fitment.
 

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Here are pictures of the Top Secret Hood.



Here is the front passenger side corner. This is the ABSOLUTE BEST I could do. it is VERY close to the fender and with the bumpstop COMPLETELY removed, it sits at fender level



Here is the front driver side corner. It has MUCH more space than the passenger side. again. the ABSOLUTE BEST I could do.



Here is the Rear driver side corner. It sits above the fender level quite visibly and no ammount of pushing or shoving will fix it. it is just very high



Here is a side shot of the middle of the hood from the drivers side. The hood sits above fender level completely closed. again all bumpstops have been completely removed



Here is the opposite side (passenger side). it actually sits completely above fender level so that you can see the bottom of the hood if viewing straight across. again, this is with the hood completely closed



Here is a shot of the rear passenger corner. This corner sits visiblylower than fender level directly over the hinge.



Here is a crappy shot of the underside fo the hood (it got dark out). I am not a composite specialist, but it looks like the vast majority of the hood is fiberglass with a carbon fiber top layer for cosmetic reasons. I don't believe that this will have any weight savings over a complete fiberglass hood (which is sad as this was one of the main reasons I opted for CF. the hood will be painted black either way)

The hood does latch to my stock hood latch and is lighter than stock, and does have vents, so it functionally does everything that I need a hood to do, but for the ammount this hood costs, I am not a very happy camper. I would expect some of these issues with a 350 dollard chaser aerodynamics hood, but not from Deft Racing. If I was building a show car, I would be angry. I am only diasappointed at this point. The hood kind of makes my car look like it has been in an accident.
 

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Yeah, I bought one about a year ago, I should have posted then. As far as I am concerned the "Deft Racing Hood" is a POS! Mine lined up about like yours did. Make sure you get the hood pins if you keep it because mine blew off at 45MPH. Fortunately, it went over my brand new paint job and only hit the glass sunroof. I immediately went back to a factory hood to get the correct fit. I told Deft Racing that I was unhappy and they said to send some pics. But the POS blew off before I could take any.
 

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Not to jump on one side or the other, but ALL THE CF HOODS on the market for the 3S in the US are fiberglass over a layer of CF. 99% of the "cf" hoods on the market are cf over fiberglass, frp, whatever... I'm surprised you didn't know that since it's pretty much common knowledge and you could expect to pay $1k+ easily for a real 100% dry carbon hood, probably closer to 1500-2k.

That being said, I opted not to get a Deft racing because of my own concerns about quality, but even the hood I got from a suppoedly reputable hood supplier needed some pretty extensive work around the fiberglass where the hood and strut towers meet. Everywhere else the fit is exceptional but I think some companies don't account for the ECS caps or intercooler piping some of us run.
 

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Armond, did you make sure there was clearance around the strut towers? My deft hood stuck up in those areas too until I added some clearance to the fiberglass under-skeleton for the shock mounting bolts. Then it settled down into a "more acceptable" fitment.
 

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wow I was actually going to buy a CF hood from Deft this week, but now im going to think twice unless he fixes this issue. I have only read good things about his products. Thats why im surprised.
What say you DEFT!!! Time to defend your products/reputation.
 

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no, I haven't done any trimming at all. I can check that tomorrow after work, but i wanted to wait a little while before I put any kind of grinder to this hood.

I never got an answer to this question http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4603484&highlight=hood#post4603484

Sean, I wish you or Deft could have spoken up then. It probably would have saved me a good bit of cash (never bought an aftermarket 3000gt hood before, so I wasn't in the know). I assumed that the hood would be multi layer wet carbon over (worst case scenaro) a fiberglass frame or (best case scenario) a wet molded carbon frame. I never expected dry carbon. the last carbon fiber hood I ever bought (for my avenger) was multi layer wet carbon over fiberglass frame. You could see light through the weave in the hood, and it cost me a little over 400 bucks (and there was LITTLE...........VERY LITTLE market for dodge avenger hoods back then). I assumed this hood would be similar. Oh well, at least now I know ;)
 

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Armond, did you make sure there was clearance around the strut towers? My deft hood stuck up in those areas too until I added some clearance to the fiberglass under-skeleton for the shock mounting bolts. Then it settled down into a "more acceptable" fitment.
this was a problem with my original hood too. I had to cut away part of the underframe because it was hitting the strut tower itself (it did clear the strut bolts though). it was like the holes cut in the skeleton were too narrow.
 

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no, I haven't given him a call (don't know his number). Honestly, I don't see much to be able to come from this (call it my lack of hope I guess). I just don't have time for the run-around with sending things back and forth (if that is even a possibility).

If Bill would like to take the hood back and exchange it, that is fine. I still have the box, but if not, I will just have to live with it. I don't know if this is the quality of all his hoods, or if I just happened to get the fluke since it was a new type. I just posted what I found by installation. Plus, I bought this hood at the end of last year, so even if there was a warranty, I don't know if it is still effective.

Bill, feel free to post up here once you get a chance. If the answer is "tough", oh well then. I guess I am stuck with a crooked hood, but if you can help in the situation, please let me know.
 

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Armond. I bought the cheap brand. the fitment was ok.. not the greatest, but when Alex looked at it, said it was about the closest I could hope for. It is at the bodyshop now getting painted, will send you pics of completed work. (it also was repaired and strengthened due to not closing it properly and I blew it off the car).

Shane
 

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I am always happy to help with issues. Instead i got notifed later that a thread has been posted with no chance to render any service or help at all. Sort of the ambush method :(

What the guy said about CF over FG is true, and yes, just about every hood is that way. If you are not paying over $1800 or so for it, you are not getting CF on CF. Thats reserved for F1 cars, and the difference in weight would be about 8 pounds. So, we are at about 18 pounds from, what 70 on the stock hood? I'd think full Cf might be about 8. Not worth the difference in price, and the extra rigidity FG affords will calm the people who fear the flexibility of CF when driving.

Aftermarket hood never fit exactly as stock. There is adjustability in the front fender, side fenders, and hood that have to be addressed. It seems in this instance you have aligned it completely to one side, which caused a bigger than normal distance between the fenders on one side, and almost no room on the other.

The answer is not "tough".... i dont know how after me being here for so many years you would think that. Please send these pictures to my email address you sent a link to this thread in, and I will forward them to fabrication.


This hood is from the exact same mold on my car. Notice that the space on each side is not OEM, but when you have it equal, then it looks great:

 

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I will try to maneuver my hood latches this evening. Thanks for the tip. as far as fender adjustability goes, I don't know what else to do in that aspect. The hood sticks above fender level everywhere except the front driver side and rear pasenger corner if I take every bumpstop completely out. Right now, the car only has one bumpstop (front driver side) installed to level out that point. I honestly don't see how anything could be accomplished through E-mail that hasn't been accomplished in your customer forum (quick notification and resolution suggestions).

It's really my fault for not test fitting the hood when I first recieved it. If you wanted to exchange the hood, there is nothing keeping you from doing it at this time. I haven't slammed you or your company, or any of your other products. All I did was say "my hood fits bad. Here's pictures" as straight forward as I possibly could. I just figure I have bad luck. If there is no chance of resolving the issues on your end, I will put the box out for trash pickup this week, and continue on. If you want to exchange it or something, I will package it back up and have it ready for pickup, but can't pay to ship it back to you. I would rather live with it.

Edit: Just your your second contact. I appreciate you helping me out on this and the quick responces. You are a more stand up guy than other businesses I have dealt with in the past. I think we can make this thing work! The hood was standing up in the box in a public storage until last week. This may have caused the bowing I am seeing. I will work with the hinges also to see if I can get the hood centered between the fenders.
 

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Well, after some helpfull tips from Bill, I was able to tweak the hood and get the fitment VERY close to perfect. here are some pictures



Here is the front passenger corner



Here is the front driver side corner. They are now EQUAL :). I figured out what was giving me the MOST problem......my hood latch was more to the passenger side than the hood laatch on the carbon fiber hood (by about .25 in). How do you fix it....bend it just slightly, and VOILLA! Good fitment. cost me zero dollars. Thanks to Bill for that tip ;).

I also had some slight interference with the body of my strut tower on the fiberglass frame. I asked Bill about that, and he said notching the frame in a smal section won't hurt anything. so, got out the dremel and clearanced that spot in the hood. No more hitting. good stuff.

THe hood bump stops in the front now needed to be installed but they wouldn't go down far enough to level out the front of the hood properly.........so I cut the groove around the bumpstops so they would thread farther down. Problem resolved.

The rear driver side still sat up kind of high. Bill mentioned tweaking the hinges a bit due to some variance in different cars, so I checked it out, and the contact surface of the hinge on the hood was raised a bit, so I got the dremel and the grinding wheel out. the hood BARELY pokes up in the corner now and it is not noticeable anymore. Problem resolved.

The bowing in the middle section could have been caused by how the hood was stored. so I pressed on it a bit. That seemed to relieve it a bit, but engine heat will most likely solve the issue for good. (tips also from Bill).

here are some pictures of the sides of the hood



THe driver side has a SLIGHT raise in it near the rear, but it isn't noticeable



Here is a shot of the driver side seam. it is pretty freaking even with the fender



ditto for the passenger side. The hood now looks like a 800 dollar hood should. The fixes cost me 0 dollars :)

Bill was VERY quick to help me get this hood sorted out and went well out of his way to make sure that my setup was correct. His customer service is obviously above my expectations. Hopefully my post is proof that if you buy a Deft product, and it has a problem, Bill will get you sorted quickly!
 
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