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Special thanks to BRIKEL94SL and My92Stealth. Both offered their cars as subjects for me to photograph.

This thread explains the vacuum hose reduction for the 1G Federal (’91-93, 1G California (’91-93), and 2G Hybrid ECU (’94-95) cars. Below are brief descriptions of the systems involved, a list of tools required to perform the modification, and step-by-step instructions for the modification itself. It is intended to be a general guide only; hose reductions will vary according to individual setups and preferences.

Throughout the writeup I will refer to sources of boost pressure and vacuum. Vaccum conditions exist only after the throttle body. Boost pressure conditions exist only after the turbochargers. Pressure before the turbochargers is 0 gauge or 14.7psi at sea level (ASL).

I am assuming that readers have reviewed at least the Technical Information Manual on www.stealth316.com, if not the service manual’s explanations of the systems below. I am also assuming that readers have seen and can interpret that hose routing diagram from the Service Manual (http://www.3si.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=59639), and that they understand the basic function of a turbocharger wastegate. What follows is a quick reference only.

Systems removed:
Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) solenoid and lines
Evaporative emissions (EVAP) solenoid, valve, canister, and lines
Boost control solenoid (BCS) and lines
Fuel pressure regulator solenoid (FPRS) and lines

Tools needed (in order of importance):
Knife
Philips and flathead screwdrivers
3/8 ratchet and socket set (the usual 10mm and 12mm)
Pliers—needlenose, conventional, and the snipping type

Materials needed:
4mm vacuum line
6mm vacuum line
Assorted plastic or brass vacuum tees
Vacuum caps
RTV sealant

Remove the following parts in preparation:
Battery
Y-pipe
Front and rear turbo intake pipes
Air filter, MAS, BOV, and intake splitter
Coolant overflow tank (remove the bolts, raise the tank, and rest it on the headlight bucket)

[NOTE: It is possible to do the hose reduction without removing some of these things, but it is easiest with them removed.]

Part 1: Deleting the unnecessary parts

When you begin, you'll be looking at a nest of vacuum lines and a hardline bundle on the firewall.

Brian had already removed a few of his lines, but here you can see the hardline bundle and the solenoid rack


An alternate view.

Begin the hose reduction by cutting all the vacuum lines running from the hardline bundle on the throttle body (TB) to the solenoid rack on the firewall. Cut the vacuum lines running from the plenum to the H-connector, BCS, and rear wastegate (WG). Cut the vacuum lines running to the EGR valve. Cut the vacuum lines running to the small bundle of hardlines beneath and to the passenger side of the EGR also. (These hard lines connect the BCS and EVAP solenoid to the front wastegate and the EVAP valve respectively. See below for further explanation.)




Remove the two upper bolts on the TB. Cut or disconnect the 3 lines running from the hardline bundle to the TB nipples. Remove and discard the hardline bundle. Reinstall the TB bolts.

(photos to come)

Remove the 3 10mm bolts securing the solenoid rack to the firewall. Disconnect the main electrical connector powering all the solenoids. Remove the solenoid rack.



At this point there should be no vacuum line remaining in the area of the engine bay between the firewall and the TB/plenum. Move towards the front of the engine bay so that you can remove the EVAP and valve.

Near the front WG actuator and beneath the PTU are hoses coming off of a 4-line hardline bundle. One goes to the front WG actuator; the rest go to the EVAP canister. Cut these.



Remove the EVAP canister by undoing the band clamp. The EVAP canister is held to the frame rail by a metal band that uses a clasp similar to a mason jar or a ski boot. Because there are some assorted brackets and lines holding the canister itself to the bracket, the best way to remove it is to violently mangle it until it submits. Save the black plastic valve.

Further, during removal it is necessary to cut the vacuum hose connecting the canister to the hardline running from the fuel tank to the engine bay (see my quick reference above). The hardline runs along the frame rail (under the MAS), then makes a quick downward turn. It is visible in the upper right hand corner of this photo of the EVAP canister.



The final thing to remove is the 4-line hardline bundle mentioned just earlier. These are often a source of confusion for people doing the hose reductions. People are tempted to cap or connect them. All they do is connect the EVAP solenoid and BC lines to the EVAP canister and the front WG. Because the hose reduction removes the solenoids and the stock BC lines, this hardline bundle connects nothing to nothing.
The bundle runs the alongside the engine, beginning beneath the EGR valve, turning down under the throttle body, under the thermostat housing, under the coil packs, and terminating about 3 inches away from the front WG actuator diaphragm.



It will require some yanking and bending to remove. Do not expect it to slide out instantly.

Clint
 

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Part 2: Providing sources of vacuum and pressure to systems that require them.

Now that everything is out, prepare to install your own vacuum lines.

The FPR must see vacuum and pressure to function properly because it increases or decreases fuel rail pressure according to manifold pressure. The most direct way to connect the FPR is to use the large forward-facing port on the plenum. Notice that the nipple sizes are not the same.



As you can see above, the cleanest method of connecting the FPR to a pressure/vacuum source is to use a plastic T: Plenum portTFPR. Not only can you get a plastic T with differently-sized ports to solve the nipple size problem, but you can also then run a vacuum line from that T to the BOV, which also requires a vacuum/pressure source to operate properly.

Connecting the wastegates: The WGs do not need a vacuum signal; they need only a pressure signal. My preferred method is to run a lines from the wastegates to a T located roughly where the thermostat housing is. Make these lines equal length and as short as possible. Be reasonable: do not make them so tight that you can pluck them like guitar strings. Run a line from the remaining port on the T to the MBC or BCS (depending on setup). This portion of the house routing is unique. Place the MBC or BCS wherever you prefer. Mine is on the firewall. Finally, connect your MBC or BCS to nipple on the back of the Y-pipe. Usually I just attach an excessively long line to the MBC or BCS “in” port until the very end, and then cut the line to length once I’ve installed the Y-pipe.

In this photo, I am holding the rear WG line. The tee is at center. Top line goes to BC and right line goes to front WG.

Because the EVAP canister is out, gasoline fumes will now vent into the engine bay, which is less than desirable. There are 2 easy options: Cap the hardline with a vacuum cap, or run a length hose from the hardline out the front of the bumper. I prefer this second method because pressure does not build in the tank. Ultimately, the best way is to remove the rock guard, cut the hardline back at the tank, and remove the hardline entirely.





If you have a boost gauge, connect it to a vacuum/pressure source like the nipple on the back of the plenum. If you have other switches or units (hobbs switches, MAP sensors), connect them.

Part 3: Capping unused ports

To prevent intake tract leaks it is important to cap all unused nipples. There are two on the pre-turbo intake pipes: A small one on the rear turbo pipe (recall that it was used to reintroduce bled air on the stock BC system) and a large one on the front turbo intake pipe.

For the rear, use a vacuum cap (I like to slather a little RTV on there too).



For the front, you may simply use the EVAP canister valve because it defaults to the closed position.

Advanced techniques: Fill the port with RTV or, if you wish to be challenged, find a vacuum cap in that size that seals well. I prefer the RTV.



Cap the nipples on the throttle body.
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If you have EGR blockoff plates, install them now.

Part 4: Reinstallation

Reinstall the intake piping and the coolant reservoir. It will likely be much easier now. Ensure that you do not pinch the WG signal lines.

At this time, you will also want to connect the BOV. If you removed the BOV with its stock vacuum line attached, and it will reach, connect it to the T between the large plenum nipple and the FPR. If the line will not reach, simply make a new one.

Similarly, you should remember to cut to length and then attach the MBC or BCS to the Y-pipe nipple.

Clint
 

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Supplemental info:

I like to approach the hose reduction with a hack-and-slash disregard for the engine bay. Remember that it’s all just hoses and systems that are unnecessary anyway. There’s nothing to “break” or damage unless you cut wires or a coolant hose (and for that you have only yourself to blame).

Similarly, as I’ve said many times in various threads, a hose reduction is a hose reduction. There is no such thing as a “hose reduction for X boost controller”. All boost controllers accept a pressure signal and then modify and transmit that signal to the wastegates.

It seems a little senseless to me to do a hose reduction and not install EGR blockoff plates and at least an MBC and inexpensive boost gauge at the same time. If you’re committed to the hose reduction and to an emptier engine bay, blockoff plates are a small price to pay. A boost gauge is a must for any turbo car, in my opinion, and if you’re comfortable enough with your engine to be performing a hose reduction, you probably intend to run more boost at some point or at least have an interest in how your engine is running. And, lastly, an MBC is 20 dollars. Doing the hose reduction without installing at least an MBC and gauge requires that you retain the stock BC lines and the solenoid rack, or that you connect the WG directly to a pressure source and run WG pressure (6psi).

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Is there any downside to the reduction? CEL? I guess it's reversible, in the event I sell the car to someone that wants/needs to put it back for emissions (I don't have emissions.. YAY for OK!)
 

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I can copy it up to Wiki if nobody else plans to, and Struggly doesn't mind.

This will be an excellent resource in a couple months when I plan to do mine, and if it is on Wiki, it will be easy to find.
 

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Just wondering (I have not read thru this in detail or thought about it carefully) . . . does this reduction make it easier to lift the intake plenum, like when changing sparkplugs etc. . . . or is most of the restriction in movement from something else anyway (like the coolant lines to the throttle body).
 
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3Sfever said:
Just wondering (I have not read thru this in detail or thought about it carefully) . . . does this reduction make it easier to lift the intake plenum, like when changing sparkplugs etc. . . . or is most of the restriction in movement from something else anyway (like the coolant lines to the throttle body).
if you do the egr delete it makes a huge difference. Next to that I find the wiring thats bolted on the passenger side to be the biggest obstacle. Unbolt that and you can push the plenum to the side enough to change plugs without completely removing it.
 

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Sorry for the stupid question but about how many feet would you need of each 4mm(or 3.5mm) and the 6mm line to do this mod?

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wondering same question. Ive been waiting for this writeup. You did a great job struggly. Does this setup void emissions. EGR blockoff im assuming? Now i can finally clean up all that extra shit in my engine bay.
 

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i'm very interested in doing this. I've heard many times about doing the hose reduction, but does it serve any benefits aside from a cleaner engine bay? and does it alter the performance of the car in any way? since you are eliminating things like the egr and a couple of solenoids that are controlled by the computer. my car is a 95 spyder which has the cali spec ecu, can i assume my car falls into that category of the 94-95 hybrid ecu cars?
 

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You can use the purge valve to plug the front turbo intake pipe. I used a vacuum cap.

On 94-95 cars you will get a CEL by removing the EGR system, but using the EGR-T for boost logging and keeping the sensor may prevent this, but it didn't work for me so EGR stays. EGR will NOT cause you to fail emissions unless the inspector is doing a visual inspection and owns one of these cars...
 

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3000SL95 said:
i'm very interested in doing this. I've heard many times about doing the hose reduction, but does it serve any benefits aside from a cleaner engine bay? and does it alter the performance of the car in any way? since you are eliminating things like the egr and a couple of solenoids that are controlled by the computer. my car is a 95 spyder which has the cali spec ecu, can i assume my car falls into that category of the 94-95 hybrid ecu cars?

Less chance of boost leaks from torn hose, cleaner intake runners from EGR removal, easier maintenance. Your not going to get faster.
 
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