subwoofer wiring help needed

what?????

sorry mobilebeatz

you are very mistaken with the same setup and appropriate power applied cone area and excursion equal bass performance.

no you can't compare jensen with jl audio ;however, 2 jl audio 10" w-3's properly setup will definatly ( or absolutley) out bass 1 12" jl audio w-3 in the same enviroment

so it is an absolute, and your opinion is a fallacy.

and just for the record 10" speakers are generally much better for imaging and sound quality , notice i said generally.

and thanks for the spell check!!!

WHAT?

ok mobilebeatz:

1) 10's are absolutley tighter in fgrequency responce due to the weight difference in the cone and the shorter excursion. look at your specs.

2) 18's are not "tight" at 40 hz. nothing is tight at 40hz you idiot. that freq. range is not meant to be tight it is meant to be deep and hard. any bass c.d. or sound checking c.d. will only 40hz with some other bass freq. with it unless it is specifically for checking your systems responce to that freq.

3) no you haven't compared anything in any of your posts, you have simply typed dumb uninformed statements that i hope were meant to only stir up the topic and were not actually supposed to be taken seriously!

4) and yes i spelled bass wrong. so what. i never said i was perfect. i was in a hurry and just trying to help someone out with a question. i was not for a grade, promotion, or life threatening so what difference does a spelling mistake make

now sqhopefull:

1) the sound quality of ten's is usually better , in my opinion, you seem to better versed on the sound quality end of things and i admit that. i am no god of stereo like mobilbeatz, and i can be wrong. however i do give the best input i can and if i don't know i don't just make things up.

2) you are however very wrong about the 70 hz cutoff in a 10's freq. responce.

3) you are absolutley correct about the imaging blur from playing the same freq. from two seperate places in your car. i did not think about that , but who said it had to be crossed over at those specific points?

to anyone reading this, sqhopeful and david walden ( sorry david if i got your last name wrong) seem to be very knowledgable and helpful . mobilbeatz on the other hand seems to just want to offend people and make dumb statements, and if that is what makes him happy just let him live in his dream world because it probably isn't the last time he is going to make some childish or ignorant remark.

pockets95

You insult my intelligence with this. I certainly hope you don't work in the industry because you're misleading a lot of people.

1) different drivers use different cones. I can find you ten 12" drivers that use lighter, stiffer cones than do 10s. Moreover, if their attack and decay is quicker, they will be tighter. Even more directly, there are dozens of 10s with greater excursions than 12s. Yet, or 12s with enormous surrounds that compromise cone area for excursion. You have a real problem with unilateral statements. I willingly and openly state that nothing is universal. you seem to have a problem acknowledging that. It stems from lack of exposure to different and innovative ideas.

2) A running misconception in all of your posts is application. Type of application governs things ultimately. I'll find you a pair of 18s to play tighter than 10s...hell, try Les Young's car for starters.


3) Fortunately I have years of time in the field and industry to confirm my misguided statements. And the support of those far more technically inclined than I.

4) I mocked your spelling because you accosted me in the same manner, first. What goes around, as they say. Read your initial post before crying about unfair play.

I really wish I had the energy right now to reveal just how deeply your fraudulence and ignorance runs, but it's been a long day. Keep rocking your pocket rocket and get back to us when you've learned some basic physics.

I have never lambasted someone as I have you, but you instigated this, and more to the point, you pass off your inaccuracies as truth. I cannot allow that on my watch. Had you couched this in terms of your own impressions, then that'd be at least passable. But when you directly contradict veracity in the name of opposing me, I can't back down. I don't pretend to know it all, far from it. Stop trying to villify me and concurrently overcompensate for lack of knowledge with volume.
Anyone who's come to know me within the duration I've been on this board knows I give helpful and constructive advice and I'm even jocular. I do make exceptions for those who gleefully and pugnaciously mislead.

I am absolutely being an asshole right now, but upon being provoked, especially with incorrect accusations, I'm allowed.

ooh... pockets!

mobilebeatz is extremely knowlegable in all areas of car audio, i know this from looking at other posts on other boards such as sounddomain and termpro (not sure about termpro, mobile?)

to defend myself:

my point was that tens play stronger in a higher freq. range then do twelves (can't go as low), agreed?

with that said...my personal PREFERENCE is to cutoff the midbass no lower than 70 (more like 50-60) therefore i would recommend a twelve inch driver with play much better in that range than a ten. the original question was a recommendation on two tens or one twelve. I RECOMMEND ONE TWELVE, and i also tried to explain reasoning.

mobile: OT, what do you for a living? your last post was very nicely written. also, he deserved it

KC