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which car do you think, old or new,stock is the most underestimated

if i had to make a list of three it would be:
1. 89' firebird tta
2. an lt1 caprice:eek: :D
3. an old chevette with a caddy 500 in it:eek: :eek: (not stock i know just couldnt think of anything else):D
 

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Toyota Tacomas
 

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LT1 Caprice?????:eek: , have you actually driven one of those? I did and couldn't BELIEVE it was the LT1 engine...that thing was a PIG!! I'd have to say the Nissan Maxima......very underestimated.
 
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1. turbo minivans
2. an old musclecar w/o any exterior work... but the engine is worth more than the car itself :)
3. convertable lebaron GTC turbo (2.2 turbo, saw one running 12.5s)
4. beetle w/350 chevy in place of the back seat :D
5. pinto w/worked 2.3 4 cyl that will rev to 10,000 rpm :D (my uncle did that for $400... engine was his friend's vo-tech project... blueprinted/balanced, racing cam, knife edge crank, big carb, etc)

6. honda civic HX w/NOS, VTEK, and a big spoiler :eek: :p :D
 

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Wrathchild said:
LT1 Caprice?????:eek: , have you actually driven one of those? I did and couldn't BELIEVE it was the LT1 engine...that thing was a PIG!! I'd have to say the Nissan Maxima......very underestimated.
wrathchild...do you get your screen name from wrathchild the band (aka..wrathchild america)?
Nice basses btw, I been playing guitar for almost 15 years now.
 

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That's easy:

It's the turbo OMNI....my friend has a turbo OMNI...it suprises the Crap out of everyone. I really don't know to much about them but basicly the thing is smaller then a GEO METRO with a 4 banger in it, which makes it light as heck. And then it is turbop charged...he beats mustangs and camaro's all tthe time. It's fast too.
 

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JUSTLG said:
That's easy:

It's the turbo OMNI....my friend has a turbo OMNI...it suprises the Crap out of everyone. I really don't know to much about them but basicly the thing is smaller then a GEO METRO with a 4 banger in it, which makes it light as heck. And then it is turbop charged...he beats mustangs and camaro's all tthe time. It's fast too.
Is that related to the Shelby Omni?
 

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The only UNMODIFIED sleeper I've ever owned was a 1986 Shelby Charger. I'd say mid to low 15's from this ugly (acquired taste) little car with this tiny little 2.2 and this baby Garrett hanging off the backside that somehow managed to make 12 lbs of boost. Now you all know that mid 15's isn't that great of a number, but if you saw this car, you'd guess it'd get rallied by a station wagon. Of course I've made some of my own sleepers, but they wouldn't really fit into this post now would they?

Oh, and about Toyota Tacoma's... not bad, but those damned Tundras are pretty bad, that little v-8 peddles off the line like its being chased by oh, say, a REAL full size AMERICAN truck.
 

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An Omni isn't smaller than a Metro, and you can get a Metro with a 3cyl OR 4cyl.

Stock turbo Omnis are slow, but there are a few guys in TampaRacing that have 13 and 12 second econoboxes with the turbo 2.2 in them.
 

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Hmm..... underestimated cars eh??

1. Nissan Maxima SE [ or any of that sort ]

2. Mitsubishi 3000GT SL [ hee hee hee ]

3. Nissan Pathfinder [ hee hee hee ]
 

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One of the most overlooked and underestimated sports cars in the world! The Porsche 928GT is a front engine rear drive platform with an all aluminum V-8 engine with 32 valves and 4 camshafts that produces 330bhp, mated to a five speed transaxle which is located between the rear wheels of the car. That means an even 50/50 weight distribution (f/r) and outstanding handling for a car that weighs 3600 lbs. It is capable of 0-60mph times of 5.6 seconds and quarter mile time of 14.1 seconds.

Plus then car be picked up fairly cheap..kind high maintainance though.
 

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It had a Grand National engine with higher compression and larger fuel injectors. Mean mofo.
 

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Everyone keeps mentioning the Grand National ENGINE but nobody said the CAR itself. Only people who actually KNOW about cars know that it's fast at all.

Just saw one the other day, man that turbo is LOUD when it comes on... he was going the other way at an intersection and I heard it spooling.

Also I can't remember the car but it had the "Quad 4" engine in it... wasn't it an Oldsmobile? Kinda small car, I rode in one once when I owned my '71 Chevelle SS and was pretty impressed with it (and I was used to the SS!)

I have to agree with unclesam (Kevin)... the turbo minivans... that's my #1 pick for sleepers.
 

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The Tundra is a joke, they claim it's a full size, but it's really the size of a Dodge Dakota. I just can't put stock in trucks that aren't American.
 

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Quickass_vr4.....no, I've never heard of that band. Mine comes from the IRONMAIDEN song of the same name off the Killers CD. Thanks about the basses, I've been playing about 18 years myself....we should hook up and shred. Anyone on the board play drums?
 

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Rah, agree with you totally, but on the same note, Dakotas are fast little shits too with the old pushrod V8
HOWEVER, agreed, neither of them are real trucks, nor will either of them beat a F-250 super duty with the 6.8 V-10 =) trust me I know. Thats a real truck.
 

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My friend has an oldsmobile cutlass calais with a Quad-4. It's a fast little 4 cyl but nothing more :) my ES would kill it, but his car runs like crap anyway :)
 

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My old cars:

89 Mirage turbo - 1.6 turbo, ran 15.9 @ 88 stock. With a 14b and SMIC from a DSM it ran 100mph traps once the 195/60/14 tires stopped spinning :) Drop in a 2.0 from a DSM (direct swap, even the wiring) and you'll see times like 11.8 @ 124.

91 Galant VR4 - 8.9 @ 79 in the 1/8 with just a K&N and bleeder valve. Lots of surprises in that old looking 4 door.

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Other sleepers:

Toyota Tacoma SRunner. This is the only way to get the 190hp v6 with a 5spd in the small truck. It comes with ground effects and nice rims. Then slap on a TRD blower to get a 300hp 5spd mini truck. Sound fun yet?

LT1 Buick Roadmaster - Motor Trend rated it at 14.9 @ 92 bone stock :eek:
 
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