wow, i can't beleive that i posted in this thread back in 2002 asking what an etacs was, lol. But from what i can tell if you ground out the blue/yellow wire number 7 on c65, it should activate the windows relay. Only downfall i see is that by grounding the relay the windows remain powered as long as its grounded regardless of the ignition being on or off. But if you are handy with relays you can wire up a relay to your ignition so that the relay sends a ground to the window relay only when ur ignition is on.i3igpete said:bump from the dead becuase i am trying to use power windows without my etacs unit(95 vr-4). at the moment my power windows do not work, but it seems that if i splice and ground out wire 5 from connector C65-1 and wire 7 from connector C65-2, i can run my power windows. alternately, it seems like i can ground out wire 16 on connector E32. can anyone confirm this?