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ACK!:eek:

The car is making less than 200rwhp at 4,000rpms:rolleyes::D:D

What good is all this power if it doesn't even come into play for at least 6000rpms!!!!!

If someone could make 1000hp at 10psi at 10,000rpms and rev limiter was at 11,000rpms, it may be great dyno numbers, but what good is that for on the street?:confused:
 

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TurboTurd said:
ACK!:eek:

The car is making less than 200rwhp at 4,000rpms:rolleyes::D:D

What good is all this power if it doesn't even come into play for at least 6000rpms!!!!!

If someone could make 1000hp at 10psi at 10,000rpms and rev limiter was at 11,000rpms, it may be great dyno numbers, but what good is that for on the street?:confused:
Something a little nos can fix

And I don't think that it would take that long for the turbos to snap your neck, still massive power if you ask me.
 

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Thats why they have close ratio six speeds instead of 3 speed autos...
Think F-1 cars, they're not the torque monsters we're all used to, hence 7 speed close ratios...
 

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only 714 at 18 psi? they really need to learn how to tune that.. they should atleast be making 900 unless they seriusly messed up somewhere...
 

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Uhm. Wow. I guess this should end the debate on whether or not 560AWHP was possible at 18 PSI.
It will? It's a totally different motor, turbo package, fuel system, electronics setup and driveline. This compares to a certain purple 3000GT how?

That 700 hp figure is real pretty, but it would really only be good for highway, high speed racing. Think about it. Get on the gas from a stop.....lagggggggggg....SLAM (tire spin). Lift, shift, repeat :) Lag....spin.....lag.....spin. It's certainly impressive that they can do that, but I'd rather have a 500 hp car that comes on boost at 2500 rpm. It would just be more fun and versatile around town. :)
 

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I was thinking the same thing Jeff. I had actually posted something about timeslips vs running from a roll, etc, but removed it.

Cool, let's race from 120-170!

Unlikely...
 

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wooweee, that's all they got out of a t-66?
at NOPI i spent sometime talking to a friend of a friend that has a red veilside supra with a t-88, has like 840 something hp, to the wheels.
oh and turbo turd, supras are top end, always have been, always will be. it's not like our cars are any better on low end than theirs are.
 

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it's not like our cars are any better on low end than theirs are.
Then remind me again why we get such good 60' times? and have higher torque when modded?
 

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I don't think this is a street car. If it is intended as a street car I have know idea what he is thinking. As a drag car if you look at the power curve it defiantly needs very high rpm breathing cams, at least 10,000 rpm, its peak torque is at 6000 rpm but is still runs out of breath rapidly after that. Its obviously going to make a hell of a lot more power even at that boost level if it could breath at higher rpm just based on where torqe is peaking now. A G-Force sequintial drag trans with some NOS and this thing would build boost at the line and not lose any boost at all in between shifts. At 30 psi it will probaly have to be on Alcohol indy type fule system. Its a very do able 1500 hp drag only car if he has a lot more money to put into it to do it right.
 

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lostboi said:
it's not like our cars are any better on low end than theirs are.
You must be talking about your base auto...
 

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Its a show car and a street car. He CAN drive it on the street but it is currently untuned. The car's boost controller also wasn't functioning so he could only make 18 PSI. Twin T66's are probably the biggest turbo(s) on any street Supra. It's interesting how it never looks like boost comes on hard, just very linear. The reason VR4's/R/T TT's get better 60 ft. is obviously AWD. However in all fairness there have been 2 or 3 Supra's that have gotten 1.4x 60' times with nitrous.
 

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Who the hell made mention of time slips or driveability? I was reading the post regarding "AAM'S 560 @ 18PSI" and there were multiple people saying "NO WAY THEY CAN MAKE 560 @ 18 PSI... PERIOD" A 3L engine is an 3L engine, maybe differing volumetric efficiencies, but this shows that it can be done with a 3L at THAT PRESSURE.
 

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I don't know if I believe that was at 18 psi or not, actually I don't believe it. He said he was having problems with his boost controller -- I'm willing to believe that the boost controller was overboosting like hell and he did not know it. No matter what kind of efficient turbos you are running, you are not going to do any more than double the engine hp at 15psi, and therefore 1.2*engine HP at 18psi. That means that the car makes over 300 rwhp with no boost whatsoever (if it is perfectly tuned w/ boost, more if it is untuned w/ boost).

Someone said in the thread that it makes 400 rwhp w/ 0 psi. If that is truly the case, then sure, the dyno graph is believable, especially since they said the car was "untuned". The question is, how did they make 400 rwhp w/ no boost? I'm sure a lot of NA Supra's would love to hear about it, and it probably is not the case.
 

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I would be willing to bet a car of that degree has a boost gauge!

Also if this were true, then how come a car on this board breaks muellers @ 15PSI where as others don't break them at 20+?
 

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I was reading the post regarding "AAM'S 560 @ 18PSI" and there were multiple people saying "NO WAY THEY CAN MAKE 560 @ 18 PSI... PERIOD" A 3L engine is an 3L engine, maybe differing volumetric efficiencies, but this shows that it can be done with a 3L at THAT PRESSURE.
I've read that post too, funny thing is, when someone on the board, comes and says "I lost to a Supra", everyone believes him, when someone comes on here with something different and never shown before, who are the first to call BS?:rolleyes:

I don't understand how someone to base everything soley on math formulas, just because its not "mathimatically" possible, doesn't nessecarilly means it is, shit, you can't ignore the fact that this is the ONLY car group to base everything on math formulas, every other car group goes out and tries new things, look at them! look at their examples of 9-10 second cars, you think they actually sat there, calculating exactly how much each turbo is "suppose" to output?

Reason we don't have many 9 second 3/S? because the ideas where shot down right here, when you have people calling Tuner's data on a $100,000 dyno BS.:rolleyes:

Heres the dyno sheet:


Originally posted by Holshot
If you are at all knowledgeable on the ways of the 93-98 Supra TT, you could easily compare horsepower levels to CFM flow to get some type of idea on what a car maybe able to achieve. For example, a Supra that we have done a single turbo conversion on using a T04R kit on which is rated at 1000 CFM @ 15psi. This car created 525 RWHP at 21psi on 93-octane and a whopping 650 RWHP at 29psi on 116 unleaded. Now, take the AAM TDO5 Turbo Kit on my car. Each turbo flows well over 650 CFM @ 15psi, which combined makes 1300 CFM @ 15psi. Thus, I think it is very reasonable to see why my car is able to produce 562 AWHP at 18psi of boost. Additionally, my experiences with single turbo conversions on the 94 and up Supra have revealed there is a lot of horsepower to be gained above 20psi on large turbo applications. Therefore, just like a Supra the more boost you throw at it, the bigger HP levels you will see!

Case in point, I had the pleasure of racing this particular car on the road, he happened to be an old roommate who for the entire time that I have known him talked about as much shit about my car almost as much as some people on this board. He claimed never in a million years any 3000 could ever beat a Supra. I was convinced some day I would make him eat his own words, and I did! I am happy to report back after 3 separate 3rd gear runs I was able to pull him by about 2 cars at the end of my 4th gear so we than decided to go from a rolling 1st gear run do to the fact it would be unfair AWD versus RWD from a dead stop and the results where even better due mainly due to quicker spool up time and the torque that my car makes down low is much more than any Supra that I know at those boost levels. The sad thing for him was not only did a 3000 beat him, but also I did it with less boost than he was running.
 
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