TPW: The Prophet
I appreciate the recap as I definitely did not read the first post and didn't want to dig through 150 posts to find what pulled Craig back to 3Si. I'll admit, I find your idea interesting; however, do I think it will drum up much interest in making a 6G 3/S faster than 7.87? No, I don't. It took years to build Slayer (I was the one who moved away) and probably would have taken another couple to get some competitive runs down the strip (at our rate, we got together on weekends for the most part). I think your "2020 bounty" will really only invigorate someone who is close to finishing or finished and maybe doing a few things to go faster; someone starting out will spend a year or more waiting on or fabricating parts probably. Not sure if you're following this one; but, look at Rob Dahm and his AWD 4-rotor RX-7; that project is on its 4th year and is just now driving but still has a long way to go before it is truly finished. But, as Craig said, he's done with Slayer for now; he's certainly not going to dust it off and start running it for the potential to win $2k. We know Chris Hill isn't going to be racing any time soon. I have no idea if Matt or Nelson are planning to pull any of their 3/S projects off the shelf, but I doubt it. Chris Behnken has his build but I don't think it is close to running 7sec passes (I could be wrong). Admittedly, I also don't follow the community that closely to know if there is someone else working on something big or how close they are. So, that is the problem I see with the whole debate. It is interesting and has potential but it just doesn't seem to have the legs to really get things going in my opinion. I could be wrong, and that is ok, my opinion probably isn't worth much. Would I like to see the 3/S (with a 6G7X) get more mainstream attention; sure, but I don't think it has much of a chance, even among enthusiasts.So, it's a show car with a drag car theme/styling. I get it now. (Not sarcasm)
Since you are dismissive of what this thread is actually about and can't take the minute to read the first post I'll put it out here with some background since you stay away from facebook......The #1 3S is Garrett's Chastain's 4g63 at 7.87. Demolishing Nelson's 8.57. Garrett's is a very light car that he spent thousands of hours on to get that light and is fully certified to 7.50 with a 25.5 cage cert. As you can imagine, it has created some controversy since it's not a 6g. and the 6g vs 4g debate on what's better, blah blah blah.
Plus some history... in the past, I was called an idiot (amongst other things) for putting a small engine in a heavy car and it will never perform. Mine went mid-9's in street trim (#5 3S at the time, now #8. Also at the time, the quickest running 3S on the planet, full interior, stock glass and OEM foglights).
Garrett took his "heavy" chassis 3000 and somehow got it 2600lb race weight with him in it. 400lbs lighter than Matt's gutted, lexan drag car. Garrett still has stock glass front and rear even. That should say how much damn work and effort went into making it as light as DSM drag cars. But now the conversation across Facebook and forums has been, "well of course it's faster" a 4G is proven, more parts, blah blah; which discounts the monumental effort he put into getting the chassis where it is, the ~12-14 times the trans was out just in 2019, and the fact that his car is Top10 AWD Mitsu in the world. Not a shop car for advertising and selling parts. Just a dude in his garage with a goal to wipe the streets and no preps and dedication to that goal, which ended up with some damn quick ET's when he lights up the boards.
Sooooo,,,, I created this Bounty that if anyone can beat Garrett's ET with a 6g, I'll give them $500. That has now grown to ~$2k and another $500 from Hellbringer if it's a manual car. A drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of a drag car build, but it's to get people "doing" instead of "bench racing" or "bitching" or downplaying my friend's results.
So that's the thread you are in (which I started on facebook).
It's purpose in every way, is to stir the pot!! Put up or shut up. Put your car on the line and let your nuts hang. Break some shit. Fix. Rinse, repeat. or,,,shut up.
And guess what, some of the biggest downplayer's here and on facebook, now get it.....After they whip out the wallace racing calculator, compare dyno's, look at past build sheets, look at the results, use available data, results and logic, and you come to the inevitable conclusion,,,,7.87 at 178mph is quick/fast as fuck and in no way an easy task. His 1/8 mph trap speed on that run (had issues in the back half), calculates out to 1300awhp through an auto. Can it be done with a 6g? Absolutely, but the chassis has to be there too. And commitment to replacing auto trans parts every weekend.
Mitsutimes.org is helping keep track of it all for me now and the bounty has created more traffic to his site than he ever had. Also picked him up a new sponsor to the site which contributed to the bounty pay out as well.
Now to be fair to garrett, since no one did this for him, some of us have decided to do a "reverse bounty". So, if no one beats his ET by the end of 2020, he'll get our bounty pledge. I think that is over $1200 now.
We talked about it; but, posting a 10.1 shakedown pass at the time wouldn't have meant much overall; there were plenty of faster 3/Ss with more power out there. From what I remember of the conversations, we felt it would really only create doubt/drama (headaches) more than anything, so we just kept it to ourselves as we weren't impressing anyone (or trying to). Not to mention, the team had other things and competing priorities in life; so, we enjoyed the project and the friendships we made in the process; but, it was time to move on to other things.No wonder we never heard what it ran. It would have been interesting at the time and may have motivated others to keep pushing. I cant even remember pics from HIN being posted. But that gt42 debate was classic.