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This race is a little old, but it's one of those where you get beat so bad it leaves a scar. And that scar hurts every time you think about it until one day.... vengeance is yours!!!

A few years back I was on the freeway coming back from class at a local college and a white 300 pulls up. I can tell he has exhaust by the sound. He signals to me like go ahead, take off... I just bought the car and was thinking, "does this guy know what he's saying? I have a vr4, did he not see that sticker, if I hammer the throttle he'll get spanked!" ....So I show some mercy and only downshift into 4th as I start to pull away he's still back there. His front bumper to my rear bumper. Then I hear him get it!! That freaken thing walked me down liked I was at a stand still. I'm pissed right about now... and ready to give him what he's got coming to em, 3rd gear! He slows and we line up again. We're doing about 70 now and I'm in 3rd ready!! This time he doesn't let me get a jump and we hit it....he pulls and pulls and pulls. No doubt about it, I got beat. BAD!!

So here I am two years later......still haven't finished college and I blame it on that 300zx. And that vengeance stuff, sush I would still get beat if I saw him again. That guy has moded the shit out of that car.
 

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don't worry about it man, there is always someone faster. If that guy modded the shit out of his car then theres nothing you can do about it. Finish college get a good paying job then mod your vr4 up and go back and find him.
 

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Theres no shame in getting beat by a someone whos driving a car that should be able to take you. It only embarrasing if you lose to one you should be able to beat.
 

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Why wouldn't he beat you? So you drive a VR4.....he has a TT 300z and your on the highway, you have AWD, he has RWD..........I would put money on the 300z too. I am sure the outcome would have been different if you raced from a stop. From the line you probably would have taken him, but I don't see the roll thing happening, not unless you have some mods.
 

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Yeah stock for stock it is pretty damn close but there Top - End is a killer. Next time mod your ass off and kick his car in the face...even if it does look relatively nice. :p
 

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hmmmmm another one from SA. so where u go to school at? i'll be sure to drop u a line when i get back to SA.
 

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ummm... a stock 300zx would lose to a stock eclipse GSX probably.

They are RWD... yeah... but have tiny turbos NON intercooled system pushing like 7psi. They are quick cars, but don't have much top end power and a stock one is nothing too special. He obviously had his modded up good if he spanked you like that. Don't feel bad... he had a pretty awesome car and most likely had a ton put into it.
 

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ummm... a stock 300zx would lose to a stock eclipse GSX probably.

They are RWD... yeah... but have tiny turbos NON intercooled system pushing like 7psi. They are quick cars, but don't have much top end power and a stock one is nothing too special. He obviously had his modded up good if he spanked you like that. Don't feel bad... he had a pretty awesome car and most likely had a ton put into it.

WTF are u smokeing>? they have t 25's not really tiny but from what i hear they are larger than 3si's. and i think the tt's have intercoolers

yep there they are. stock IC with a stillen ic. and stock they run 9psi with the JWT ecu and boost jets 12-14 psi. the turbos motors are 8.5/1 compression compared to the 3si @ 8.0/1
 

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Pony Killer said:
ummm... a stock 300zx would lose to a stock eclipse GSX probably.

They are RWD... yeah... but have tiny turbos NON intercooled system pushing like 7psi. They are quick cars, but don't have much top end power and a stock one is nothing too special. He obviously had his modded up good if he spanked you like that. Don't feel bad... he had a pretty awesome car and most likely had a ton put into it.
You must have your information mixed up a Stock 300ZX Turbo will abolish a Eclipse GSX, not even a race. ;) Considering you are comparing a stock 13 sec car to a 15 sec / high 14 sec car. ;)

A stock for stock VR-4 vs 300ZX would be close as can be. Compact Car or something rated the 300ZX Turbo .2 faster than a VR-4 cant remember what generations though. The also commented the fact that the ZX has a little more humph at Top - End. This was all in a really old thread, so we have had this discussion before.;)
 

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13 sec cars? I dunno about that, from what i've seen they are a low to mid 14 sec car at the track stock or with small mods. Their drivetrain sucks quite a bit of power from them. I had a 5speed TTZ with Stillen body kit, aftermarket BOV, exhaust, 5pt harnesses, and some other appearance mods not pull me AT ALL from a 30-60 punch ( i know it's a very short race, but cops all over from the WSP concert going on), but when we got to 60 i knew he was gonna start walking me at a good rate, my long first gear comes in handy when it takes care of the 30 to 50 range. (not to mention i had two girl passengers in the passenger seat and he only had one chubby one; BION)
 

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Their drivetrain sucks quite a bit of power from them.
compared to what? a f body maybe. but a VR4 has *almost* double(around 30%) the drive train loss than a Z32, na or tt(15-20%). is been discussed before the drivetrain loss on the SL/base is also around 20% which is still *slightly* more than the Z's NA or TT sense they are idental except for the 4.08 diffy in the NA and 3.89 in the tt. just compare baseline dynos.

sl's are around 165-170
naZ's are around 175-180
 

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What are you guys talking about? I REGULARLY visit 300zx forums... all the drivers tell me what their cars can and can't do...

Feel free to go to z31.com and read up before you talk all this nonsense...

http://z31.com/nfaq/faqview.php?ParentID=7#33

A stock 300ZX has one of the most basic turbo systems available. It is a single, fixed pitch turbocharger (Garret T-3), with a stock boost of 4-5psi. There is no intercooler or compressor bypass valve, and the wastegate is built into the turbocharger assembly(internal). There is an external pop-off valve (not the same as a bypass valve), which is in the intake manifold. Why is the system so simple? Because it is only made to handle low boost situations. I once had some yahoo go on and on about intercoolers, saying how they are so great, why doesn't the Z have one... nanana... An intercooler is NOT EFFECTIVE below 8 psi, the costs/losses from an intercooler would exceed any possible gains; dumb guy still doesn't understand it. Same for a bypass valve. What this means for us is that there is a lot of room for improvement :)


Things DID change when they made it a TT (in 1990 I think?)... but having driven them before... they are not as fast as you all make them out to be. Trust me.
 

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BTW - a dead mint/stock '94 300zx TT auto 2 seater that I test drove not long ago BARELY pulled harder than my stock Talon... from a roll it was horrid, but probably just because it was auto... the manual ones are a bit better, but not tons. These are seriously girl cars if you ask me (my g/f wants one, so she got me into them)... nice looking and easy to keep running... but I would sooner worry about losing to a Mustang GT than a stock Z.
 

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A newr stock Z TT is comparable to a 3S TT and to the MKIV Supra TT. All 300+hp. All TT. They can also be compared to a stock 3rd gen 7, But the 7 has about 255 stock hp. I know that the newest gen Z is no slouch.
 

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oh i see where your coming from now. time to move out of moms single wide trailer and get your pos dsm off the blocks. the phrase moron comes to mind but it's still too nice for u.
That's why I love 3si... not only are our worthless hillbillies friendly here... but they's clever too!
 

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just to continue the onslaught of logic

Now I don't brag about my talon... but it's not bad... but what I'm wondering, is how is it a POS because it is FASTER than a Z?

But I'm obviously a moron... because I'm only saying it's faster having driven Z31 cars and hearing the words (AWD talons beat me) come from the mouths of SEVERAL 300ZX owners..

Yeah... I'm fucking stupid.
 

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u said turbos bright guy. S as in plural, more than one, the z31 only had 1 turbo. :sigh: play with your car. i know im faster than u. and of course u will say your fast but u not going to post any slips so go back to your india porn with your slow car.
 

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Oh yeah...

Stock = ghettoed out?

Too bad you're stuck driving that "I wish I were fast" turboless waste of money. Oh well, you're far smarter than I, so there's obviously a reason behind it that I cannot comprehend.
 
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