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Hitokiri Battousai
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I bring forth my review on the Supercar Engineering Stoptech Big Brake kit for the FWD cars. (what a long name)

Yesterday Philip from SE and I installed the BBK on my car. We started around 4PM and at 10PM my car was rolling around the parking lot at my work where we did the swap. It would have been done faster, but Philip is METICULOUS with his installs! When I pulled the brake hardware out of me stock setup he took a triangle file and cleaned each thread individually just to make sure there would be no binding when reinstalling. He also took EXTREME care to make sure that nothing got scratched/scuffed, or marred in any way,shape, or form. I honestly think the swap could be done in about 3 hours if you get it done quick.

After having to "tweak" the splashguard and the lower control arm for clearence (I'll let him explain it) there was no problems with fitment, and my GOC these things are HUGE!!! We put AXXIS Metal Master pads in front and rear and bled the system with Valvoline synthetic DOT3/4 fluid, and then proceeded to "bed" the brakes. Philip did this while I tried to watch the G's being created on the G-tech Comp. Pro that he had brought along with him. With no ABS, shoddy tires (not my rims - brakes would clear on my rims), and a slightly sandy road we were pulling .7G's stopping from 60mph! I was litterally bracing myself using both feet and the handle on the passenger door while trying to keep an eye on the G-Tech. After about 7-8 HARD stops like this in about 3 minutes we started to get what Philip called "Green Fade" which is new=pad break-in, so we were forced to drive around and let the brakes cool down and stop smoking (once again, due to new pads/rotors). :D

I've been driving around with the BBK today and the pedal and stoppping power aren't even comparable to stock. The pedal is extremely tight and very responsive to the pressure I give it. You do NOT stand on these brakes unless you really want to kiss your windshield. With about an inch of pedal movement I'm stopping as hard as I did with nearly full pressure on stock. I honestly won't hit these brakes there hardest in fear of what might happen!

The look: Once again, not even on the same planet! The Stoptech calipers make the TT brakes look like you bicycle brakes. The huge, black anodized caliper mocks whatever you throw at it and the 2-piece rotor simply dwarfs the stock piece. Every piece of the kit looks like a piece of artwork and I can't help but to look in disgust at the pieces that have to go back on my car (I have to give these back unfortunately). :(

In closing, I can tell you exactly what brakes I'll be purchasing once I get some larger rims. The StopTech Big Brake Kit is simply amazing in ever aspect, and you would be crazy to pass on these if you have the money for them. :) I'd like to thank Philip with Supercar Engineering for his awesome abilities and giving me the chance to test these for the FWD community. I will make sure to buy these from him as soon as I can. :)

Pictures of the install will be available as soon as Philip sends them to me.
 

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Sounds absolutly wonderful! I really could use some real brakes. What is the cost on these and what size rims do you need? Thanks, Mike
 

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hey congrats on the brakes!! If I had money left over from the conversion, I would get them, but I'm broke now. :(
 

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i hate you jeremy :D

wow, they are that good huh? congrats on being the lab rat for this, i would have gladly offered my ride as a test car for this sort of thing. well hopefully when i do decide to replace my front calipers that the stoptechs would have already a proven system for our cars (by the looks of things i think they are there)

once again, WOW :D
 

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Hitokiri Battousai
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I used 2nd gen 17" rims, as my 16X7's (they were on teh car when I bought it) were way to small. Honestly, with these brakes you'll be in the same boat as 2nd gen TT guys when it comes to rims (minimum 17", LOTS of positive offset).

You'll have have to talk to Philip on the price, as I was only the tester and I'm not buying these right this moment (why buy when I don't have rims?).

His website is www.supercarengineering.com

These will help with rotational weight. Though they are larger, the calipers weigh almos the same and the rotors are lighter! Aluminum is a good thing. :D
 

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Jeremy C said:
I used 2nd gen 17" rims, as my 16X7's (they were on teh car when I bought it) were way to small. Honestly, with these brakes you'll be in the same boat as 2nd gen TT guys when it comes to rims (minimum 17", LOTS of positive offset).

You'll have have to talk to Philip on the price, as I was only the tester and I'm not buying these right this moment (why buy when I don't have rims?).

His website is www.supercarengineering.com

These will help with rotational weight. Though they are larger, the calipers weigh almos the same and the rotors are lighter! Aluminum is a good thing. :D
you are still a lucky man having been given the chance to test these wonderful toys!

well i have to save the $$ for them. i plan to take off the front brakes when i clock 100K or so, because i think the stock fronts should be very damed well shot at 100K :D
 

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Well, I just got my pc running for the first time since Friday, so I should have pictures for you shortly, just as soon as I can get everything sored out again (had to do a format/clean install of XP).

Just hold on a little longer guys. :)
 

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one of the things i forgot to ask was will the calipers clear 17x7.5 inch rims? coz if not id have to get bigger wheels. i know for a fact 1st gen brakes clear my wheels (did some measurements and asked for help) so i think if the stoptechs dont require bigger rims id definitely take a close look at them fro brake replacement.
 

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are these front and rear??
 

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The StopTech NA kit is just plain awesome. Jeremy could probably discribe best how his car felt before and after, but I just thought I was driving a go-cart. The brakes were so firm, light and the car was stopping immediately. The pedal travel was about 1/3 of what it was before. This is because of the super stiff calipers. Very short pedal travel, low effort, immediate response and a brick-wall deceleration. We gave rides to several local 3/S owners, including Steve from 3SX who is visiting us this week. He said he almost got a whiplash! :)

The installation was easy, but we had to pay attention to all the little details and I had to use some extra care because this kit was going to a customer. We had to do some tweaks. The control arms needed to be modified with a hammer. It's a procedure approved by StopTech. A little nuisance but it makes your wheel selection much wider by positioning the calipers as far inboard as possible and allowing a larger spoke clearance. The kit requires 17" 2nd gen wheels at a minumum. Use this template to check your wheels.

I will have to let the secret out that this is a StopTech kit made for DSM cars. It fits and works on naturally aspirated 3/S cars as we hoped it would and as we have just proven through fitting and testing. StopTech did not want to add another 3/S part number for it since the kit is the same as the DSM one, but at least they let me sell it to 3/S NA owners.

I am taking deposits and full payments for NA kits now. See this thread for more details about the kit. Please contact me via email or phone.

The black anodized calipers looked better on the car than I expected. Unless you want a different color, I would not pay extra for it. Here are the pics of what Jeremy and I tested:











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(last pic StopTech 328 mm NA rotor vs. 2nd gen VR4/TT rotor)
 
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