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Old 09-09-2019, 07:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Haven't been on here for awhile. New neighbor has a stock Z32 TT, 5 speed, and talks shit oh my stock 1996 3000GT VR-4, also stock. He's relentless. I remember the Z32 being slow so..
I did some research :

Best Motoring is a famous Japanese television show that’s focuses on Japanese performance cars. They’re drivers are actual race car drivers that have WON AWARDS. They tested all the performance cars of the era.
In 1994 Mitsubishis 3000GT VR4 beat the R32 Skyline GTR, a car that weighs 3100 lbs and dyno [email protected] https://youtu.be/fwps3TVcJMM ! And then in 1996, the GTO MR, which is identical to the 2G VR4, with 67 less pounds, bested an R33 Skyline GTR pulling a 12.8 quarter mile. https://youtu.be/ukVsqR66ldE

The Skyline GTR was the fastest model Nissan made, their Halo car. The J spec VR4 identical, how would it lose to a 300ZX Twin Turbo which is a much less powerful car? These videos alone prove how much faster it is


1990 to 1993
Road and Track, 1989 300ZXTwin Turbo Debut http://www.300zx.cl/ga2/300zx2/images/ryt895.jpg 0 to 60 / 6.5s. / 0 to 100 16.5s, quarter mile of [email protected]
Road and Track,1990 3000GT VR4 Debut https://www.stealth316.com/images/rt_9-90-p8.jpg 0 to 60 6.3s / 0 to 100 16.2 / quarter mile [email protected]
In Road and Track, the VR4 consistently got more praise and better times

http://www.300zx.cl/ga3/300zx3/images/car3005.jpg -
Car and Driver, 1992, 'Slide the High Country'
300ZX Twin Turbo: 0 to 60 5.5, quarter mile [email protected] 3000GT VR4: 0 to 60 5.4, quarter mile [email protected]
Considering the VR4 to be .01s faster when it weighs 350 lbs more, these aren't awful results, especially the slalom, where the Z is .89 and the VR4 .91. Ouch. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a15140581/nissan-300zx-turbo-vs-dodge-stealth-r-t-turbo-archived-comparison-test/ - The 300ZX Twin Turbo won with a faster ET and trap, (though C/D did state this was the fastest TT-Z theyd every tested). Ouch. After 1994 Tests

1994 to 1999
1. https://youtu.be/kBTwc8h-cnI - MotorWeek, 1994
3000GT VR4, 0 - 60 in 4.9 and the quarter mile in [email protected], MW couldn't get the Z faster than [email protected], so 3-4 car lengths ahead at the same trap speed
2. https://www.motortrend.com/news/virtual-velocity/ MotorTrend, 1995, 'Virtual Velocity
Z, [email protected] / VR4, [email protected]
The Z is 4-6 car lengths away and moving .4s faster isn't passing up that much ET difference.
3. https://youtu.be/vFEYkgOZdC4 - Stock 1999 3000GT VR4, quarter mile of [email protected] This is a thoroughly stock car. It took him over a month to get the launch down
4. http://www.300zx.cl/ga/300zx/images/rtt10.jpg - Road and Track, 1994
300ZX Twin Turbo,[email protected] / 3000GT VR4, [email protected]
Another instance of the VR4 being too far ahead for the Z to catch up to with under a single mph. It lost by 2 SECONDS around a track to the VR4 http://www.300zx.cl/ga/300zx/images/rtt07.jpg
5. https://www.motortrend.com/news/mitsubishi-3000gt-vr4/ - The launch was bad for both the Supra TT and VR4, yet the VR4 did 0-60 in 4.8s and tied the Supra TT in the 1/4m @ 13.6s, with the Supra trapping substantially higher (Obviously).
6. https://archiv.3000gt.org/viewtopic.php?t=2582 - Popular Mechanics, 1999, Acceleration Nation
1999 3000GT VR-4, 0 to 60 in 5.00s, 1/4m in 13.44s @ 101.79mph
They could have had a better launch, but who cares, no 300ZX Twin Turbo is pulling a 13.4 ET without bolt ons and definitely slick rubber.
7. Seems the Z32 isn't all it's shaped up to be, it lost to a 250HP Corvette by a SECOND around a track When all was said and done, the Cor¬vette turned laps in the one-minute 38-second range, at an average speed of 64 mph, while the Nissan was almost a second per lap slower. "No big deal," you're saying? On the contrary. It is a big deal in a two-hour race. Far more important, the Corvette—with its hip-hugging seats, smooth power delivery, and neutral handling—is far easier to drive for long peri¬ods at those speeds. To put the Cor¬vette's racetrack prowess into per¬spective, remember that the big V-8 produces 50 fewer horsepower than the twin-turbo terror https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a15112003/1991-chevrolet-corvette-z51-fx3-vs-nissan-300zx-archived-comparison-test/ http://www.300zx.cl/ga2/300zx/images/cvsg4.jpg - Z did 0-60 in 5.9 and the 1/4m in [email protected]

After finding all this out, I ran him. From a dig to 140 I had a car length ahead. From a 20 and 40 roll i wasted him. He was able to be fender to fender from 100mph roll.

Has anyone ran one stock to stock?
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Why are they compared so often? Simple! On paper they are very similar.
Both are 90's 3.0 twin turbo Japanese cars with similar power output, similar features even down to the all wheel steering. With them being spec'd so close maybe you're just a better driver than than your neighbor?

If I could, I'd own both because they're both cool.
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You guys should each take each other for a ride in your cars, and then have some beers.
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Why don’t you race instead of bench racing?
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I second that. Post results.
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I ran him. From a dig to 140 I had a car length ahead. From a 20 and 40 roll i wasted him. He was able to be fender to fender from 100mph roll.
cool! seems like he can stop bragging now lol
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You guys should each take each other for a ride in your cars, and then have some beers.
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That's some proper advice right there.
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I wish I could have a beer with this guy. He's salty over his loss. After I won, he just drove off.
I like Z32s somewhat, but to be honest they don't run great numbers stock. When they're modded they're beasts if they put good rubber on it. Years ago had a friend that ran mid [email protected] - he refused to put tires on it!

I've been trying to be nice. I'm sure it'll get solved at some point, were going to be living next door to each other no reason to hate because of something as stupid as whose car is faster. He can mod his to hell and kick my ass, couldn't care less, I'm not modding mine.
I actually want a ride in it, i haven't seen a stock Z32 in years. Hopefully we do make up at some point! Thanks for the advice.
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I wish I could have a beer with this guy. He's salty over his loss. After I won, he just drove off.
I like Z32s somewhat, but to be honest they don't run great numbers stock. When they're modded they're beasts if they put good rubber on it. Years ago had a friend that ran mid [email protected] - he refused to put tires on it!

I've been trying to be nice. I'm sure it'll get solved at some point, were going to be living next door to each other no reason to hate because of something as stupid as whose car is faster. He can mod his to hell and kick my ass, couldn't care less, I'm not modding mine.
I actually want a ride in it, i haven't seen a stock Z32 in years. Hopefully we do make up at some point! Thanks for the advice.
Maybe show him this article https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...Lm5wnXbS0liY1w

then he will be happy.
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@gawdzinner - haha I should! Things have been better recently. He made me admit the 1Gs are slower and the the 2Gs are only faster stock. Once I agreed to that - why wouldn't I - he's been ok.

Even took me out and let me look under the hood. The VG30DETT is gorgeous, but I'd never want to work on one!
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