Originally Posted by COKE08
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The previous car he sold has been one of my benchmark examples of a mechanically and cosmetically nice VR4 that sold in my price range.
Originally Posted by COKE08
Still less expensive than honda/aucra NSX, Nissan 300ZX TT, Toyota Supra and especially Nissan GT-R of that era.
Doesn't change the fact that the $14k+ examples are well out of reach for my budget, and that there's evidence of multiple VR4's that have sold in my price range that were mechanically solid and cosmetically decent.
I've come across a couple VR4s for sale asking over $10k that I thought I might be able to negotiate down to my price range, but some of these sellers think their cars command top dollar just because they think "it looks pretty nice for a 28 year old car".
I walked away from one without even making an offer because it was so bad. It was described as "excellent condition" asking $11,500:
* Front active aero crushed bad and cracks in front bumper with animal fur stuck in it.
* Rear active aero stuck in the up position (I questioned why it seemed to be in the up position, and owner claimed that it worked just moments before I tested to confirm it didn't).
* No maintenance records. 10k miles overdue for timing belt, etc., and owner was very dismissive of the importance of having it done.
* Multiple oil leaks.
* Had trouble starting and idled a bit rough/noisy.
* A/C didn't blow cold air, heater didn't blow hot air.
* Coolant temp climbed to max while idling before even driving it. Fluctuated between normal and climbing to max while driving (I actually didn't even want to drive it based on behavior at idle, but owner offered to drive, so I rode along, then accepted when he offered to switch drivers).
* During the test drive, he drove like a grandma on a Sunday cruise (very gentle acceleration, short shifting). When he let me drive, I asked him to direct me because I was unfamiliar with the area. He directed me through only residential streets with 25mph speeds.
* Sport/tour exhaust didn't work.
* Radio antenna was missing.
* Speedometer intermittently didn't work.
* ABS malfunctioned - kicked in while gently stopping at low speeds (when it happened, owner commented, "wow, those brakes really work well!").
* Transmission didn't like downshifting from 3rd to 2nd (grinding).
* Cosmetically was far from "excellent": spoiler was severely faded, clear coat flaking in several places, black trim pieces faded. The seller repeated many times how nice this car is, considering its age.
Another seller is simply not answering any of my questions about whether all of the features are functioning, has no service records, knows noting about what maintenance has been done, and at one point replied (after 1.5 weeks of no response) that they "obviously" aren't in a rush to sell the car, and they know how much these cars sell for (I had not even mentioned price or an offer yet; was just asking for info about the car).
Some of these people basically know nothing about their cars or the importance of maintenance, and don't want to be bothered with the fact that details matter. They just want someone to come along and think, "That's a cool-looking car; here's all the money you want!", because that's probably what they did, and they want to recoup the money they overpaid for their car to begin with. One seller wasn't even aware that the car was AWD, had 4-wheel steering, or was supposed to have tour/sport exhaust modes.
That's my rant. I wish I could find more sensible sellers that actually know something about their cars and have taken decent care of their cars.