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Old 06-28-2019, 07:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So I set the timing and wonder if I messed something up.https://youtu.be/UYij4A7hY3s
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The timing gear isn’t seated all the way back on the crank. This allows the pins to come out of the reluctor wheel. I’d take it back apart, make sure all the parts are still there, and do it again. Keeping a crank bolt and washer on the crank keeps that from happening.
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No it’s not suppose to turn like that, won’t run that way. In addion to what donniekak said I guestion if you have the spacer on back to sandwich ninja star (reluctor plate) to crank cog gear. That plate has a keyway slot that shouldn’t let it turn unless it moves in past key which spacer shouldn't allow. There is also roll pin that holds crank gear, ninja star and back spacer together and aligned when not on crank.

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I took it apart and put it back on as one unit snapped csck together on the gear with the nipples through the sensing blade and spacer, then set the timing again.
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Looks like you got timing procedure correct. I assume the sensing blade will not turn now, if so I’d say you got all that correct. But I’m concerned by what you’re hearing when rotating, can’t imagine why any sound would be present or tight spots felt.

Do you have any spark plugs installed?
Did you remove any cams from heads?
Is sensing blade passing cleanly thru crank sensor slot and cam blade cleanly thru that sensor slot?
Noticed lower intake manifold holes not covered, any chance you might have dropped something down in there?
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Looks like you got timing procedure correct. I assume the sensing blade will not turn now, if so I’d say you got all that correct. But I’m concerned by what you’re hearing when rotating, can’t imagine why any sound would be present or tight spots felt.

Do you have any spark plugs installed?
Did you remove any cams from heads?
Is sensing blade passing cleanly thru crank sensor slot and cam blade cleanly thru that sensor slot?
Noticed lower intake manifold holes not covered, any chance you might have dropped something down in there?
I do have the spark plugs installed which is why compression might be keeping it tight at spots. Gurgling sounds like oil might be burping up into the cams from the oil pump. Don't know if I said it in video, but the sensing blade and spacer I clicked together with the nipples in the little holes in both the sensing blade and the spacer. So, no the sensing blade won't turn anymore. Both sensors and blades had proper clearance and fine. The cams I never took off, but did take the cap end off the #4 cam to remove the old seal that I accidentally put in backwards. I did have the torque spec and torque those 2 bolts for that cam cap which was different on the ends than on the middle pieces.
I know I didn't drop anything in there because the few flakes that fell in, I got out when having the valve covers off.

Lower intake manifold holes? What are those? Now I am curious what is not covered.
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OK… Plugs being installed explains the tight spots and gurgling sound could even be lifter pushing oil out because no oil pressure with engine not running. From your explanations I’d say you’re good to go.

Lower intake manifold holes are the six large holes opened when plenum removed. Any thing that goes in there ends up in intake valves or cylinder. I think I noticed that from one of your videos on other thread.
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OK… Plugs being installed explains the tight spots and gurgling sound could even be lifter pushing oil out because no oil pressure with engine not running. From your explanations I’d say you’re good to go.

Lower intake manifold holes are the six large holes opened when plenum removed. Any thing that goes in there ends up in intake valves or cylinder. I think I noticed that from one of your videos on other thread.
Thanks for the insight. I don't think I had the holes on the intake uncovered at all. I had 0ut blue painters tape over them immediately after removing the plentum. I did have them open for a few minutes as I changed the seal before putting the plentum back on. And yes, I think I had a video showing the new gasket on it without the tape, but I am sure nothing went in there....lol. I thought it was something from this video, so I was wondering. Glad I got that side closed up before the sudden storms came our of nowhere.
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Another piece of advice, when you put lower timing belt cover on make sure crank sensor wire is routed and secured to keep timing belt from rubbing thru wires. Of course same for cam sensor wire, but seems most mistakes are made on crank sensor wire.
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