I have read all of the threads and they are coming close to answering my question but then stray away from what I need.
I have a 92 factory digital head unit, so no Infinity amp under the seat. Due to age all all but the dash speakers are toast. I do plan on doing a line leveler for a small amp and sub for the rear but I'm not gonna ditch the head unit and don't want to amp anything but the sub. (That is gonna be way later when I go with an aftermarket head). I keep coming back to Infinity reference or Kappa but everyone says they are way lower in volume and need amped, but then sound like crap if you just amp the factory head unit. I have a bit of understanding about ohms and such but not enough to do the math.
So what I want is a set of speakers for the doors and the rear that will sound fine on the stock set up. I know I'm not gonna get great without an amp and a new head unit so a lot of the good ones will be low and sound like crap because they are not being pushed. And I need to know what will work with the piggy-backed dash speakers. Those are fine and I'm not doing tweets there again. Did that in my last stealth and it was not a goob place for tweets.
Hopefully someone can help me out
Shooting for almost completely stock. Smart and nearly invisible upgrades to make the ultimate GT cruiser the platform will allow.
Mods: Latitude 42 HID projector conversion, Snake-Eyes headlight controller, Renegade Tech Works full 3 stage ECS, Full interior Dynamat (the right way), Fuel pump relay bypass, Poly front and rear motor mounts, Tein S Techs, R1 Concepts cross drilled/slotted rotors, gutted pre cats, K&N drop in filter.
White 1992 Stealth RT/TT (Stock)
White 2011 Ford Crown Vic (Company Car)
Another German toy on extended leave with me by it's owner.
A review like this helps too:
I just bought these for my MBZ C230. One of the door speakers was shot and it really made my stereo sound crappy. Tried shopping around for some coaxs. Tried a few from Pioneer and Kenwood and they didn't work. The door speakers have a passive cross-over so the coaxs sounded really 'shelly'. Went back to the drawing board when I stumbled across these. Took me about 30 mins to install with a little help from my dremel and my soldering gun but I'm extremely satisfied with the outcome. The tweeters sparkle and the 6's hit nice and solid. Perfect compliment to the stock woofers in the rear doors.
Still hoping someone can tell me what I can use without changing the stock dash speakers, those are perfect. Using a stock head with no amp. Just need to know what will work and sound decent to replace the door and rear speakers. I have enough dynamat Xtreme coming to do the entire car short of the roof.
Help me out!
"replacement for factory door and rear speakers on an stock, non-amped 92 head unit while keeping the jumpered dash speakers"
Look for a speaker that fits and has high signal to noise ratio and low wattage close to stock, maybe a little higher. Use a online place like crutchfield to find the ones that work and then shop around. I am suprised the MB Quart was so cheap these days. They were expensive speakers considered top of the line years ago. IMO that wattage is too high for the stock system. And make sure the OHMs match if your using the stock tweeters cause I think they are wired in parallel to the doors with a cap in there to cut frequency (cheap xover). Wish I could help. I went with Boston Acoustic in the old days and they sounded ok but ended up doing the whole shebang years later anyway with amps.
Sensitivity is the key word there not signal to noise.
But sensitivity is a misleading standard. I do like the low power criteria though.
There was a time when the standard advise was to go to an audio place and listen to what's out there. That's fine provided the radios you listen to are un amplified. But listening to speakers that are in enclosures is misleading too!! Years ago I did this with my son who at that time was an ee student. I had let him borrow an old school Pioneer FHP-P700 and he fried his speakers. It was for rear speakers in a 94 base without infinity and a mid level alpine aftermarket radio. So he listened and picked his speakers, they lasted 1 day he took them back and put an infinity system in the car. Back then when we pulled 25 digital climate control display kits the infinity systems were dime a dozen to get. To my surprise he sold his alpine radio too!!
Unfortunately the OEM speakers were/are hard to beat as for sheer volume. That's because they are super efficient. So everyone's left with trying to fill that void.
Just put the woofer from the MB in the door forget about the rest. Or since it has a bracket for the tweeter install the whole thing.
The MB is rated 40 watts it's hard to find a speaker with less than that.
Seems to me the sticky in the top of the audio has almost every speaker thread done in car audio. There was someone a while back that also liked the blaupunkt speakers. There was also a Memphis install in an infinity vehicle.
Well after looking at all and doing the numbers I went a different way. I just ordered a pair of 6X9 three way HD's and a set of 6.5 three way HD's from Scosche and used the 35% holiday discount so they were $71. They are all 4 ohm same as the factory ones. I then ordered a pair of Visaton 2012 FRS7 2.5" Full-Range outdoor/marine Speaker 8 Ohm, which is what the factory dash speakers are, they were $18.
Now I have a Dynamate Extreme bulk pack, 4 gauge wiring kit, MTX re-Q, Infinity 1300a Mono amp and an Infinity Kappa 12 inch sub coming.
I figure what I am installing speakerwise is gonna be about as good as factory. That will be a nice change as my door and rears are rotted away all together. With the sound deadening, and the good amp, sub and processor I should have "good" sound and "good" volume. Later when I wanna dump buttloads of money and have a ricer aftermarket head unit, I can go with all new better interior speakers and a 6 channel amp and crank the sub amp and pretty well be done.
I'll post again when it's all in with results.
The Houston are so hardcore that they have gone beyond a lot of this stuff but I am trying to drum up some excitement for some of the projects the we do the first few years of having these cars. That being said I'm gonna be pic happy and post all the photos of the dynamating and install and do some videos trying to depict the sound difference, fingers crossed
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