Any FWD TT's running 12 or lower in the 1/4

[210vr-2beast]

Mr. Walker is the shiznit. Still waiting for the car to go in bro. Got me all hyped up. lol.

[3startuna]

Originally Posted by Kibwe Walker

http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?He...ype=AWD&Page=1
http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?He...ype=FWD&Page=1

You know when ipo was hyping up building T2, I gave him these links to point out the obvious. This platform is NOT going to reinvent the wheel. There is nothing we can do in a 3s that has not already been done extensively in a DSM. What the DSM platform has proven years ago is that the FWD has NO advantage over a AWD car with the same setup.

By no, I mean zero, none, nothing. They don't trap any higher, the don't handle any better, they don't provide any better E.T's at the strip.

You know based on the method of mathematically winning races you may want to say that oh a car that weighs less with the same power has got to run faster right? It makes perfect sense, then you test said hypothesis against the data that you have and it doesn't compute.

You pick a turbo or setup on the DSM or 3s platform and guarunteed you will find that the AWD car with that setup TRAPS either the same or HIGHER despite the weight and the et is a second or more difference with the same setup.

Apply it to our platform and it still holds true.

http://www.3squicklist.com/

kibi your 100% correct but thats not what were debating.

im glad you posted those links though. i didnt know FWD DMs were running 8s!!!! that means it shouldnt be difficult for us then

[Stealthee]

Basically that is what we are debating. Fact is there is no advantage of FWD over AWD. And saying 8's shouldn't be that hard is ridiculous. Consider the fact that Dynamic and 3sx are both making huge power "only" in the low 9's and there is only one FWD 3s in the 10's means there is a LONNNNNNG way to go.

[210vr-2beast]

startuna aka "Kirby freak" is dumb.

[3startuna]

Originally Posted by Stealthee

Basically that is what we are debating. Fact is there is no advantage of FWD over AWD. And saying 8's shouldn't be that hard is ridiculous. Consider the fact that Dynamic and 3sx are both making huge power "only" in the low 9's and there is only one FWD 3s in the 10's means there is a LONNNNNNG way to go.

I didnt mean it like that you not understanding. All im simply saying is that It can be done then.

Poor choice of words on my part when i said "its not that difficult"

[3startuna]

Originally Posted by 210vr-2beast

startuna aka "Kirby freak" is dumb.

yes i do love kirby, you should see my room pink blankets, kirby posters. I even use pink condoms when im making love to your girl

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Kibwe Walker

http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?He...ype=AWD&Page=1
http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?He...ype=FWD&Page=1

You know when ipo was hyping up building T2, I gave him these links to point out the obvious. This platform is NOT going to reinvent the wheel. There is nothing we can do in a 3s that has not already been done extensively in a DSM. What the DSM platform has proven years ago is that the FWD has NO advantage over a AWD car with the same setup.

By no, I mean zero, none, nothing. They don't trap any higher, the don't handle any better, they don't provide any better E.T's at the strip.

You know based on the method of mathematically winning races you may want to say that oh a car that weighs less with the same power has got to run faster right? It makes perfect sense, then you test said hypothesis against the data that you have and it doesn't compute.

You pick a turbo or setup on the DSM or 3s platform and guarunteed you will find that the AWD car with that setup TRAPS either the same or HIGHER despite the weight and the et is a second or more difference with the same setup.

Apply it to our platform and it still holds true.

http://www.3squicklist.com/

and that has nothing to do with this topic

[210vr-2beast]

you mean making love to your little pink kirby doll.

[3startuna]

Originally Posted by 210vr-2beast

you mean making love to your little pink kirby doll.

only on a tuesday nights

pm sent to you

[Kibwe Walker]

Originally Posted by 3startuna

kibi your 100% correct but thats not what were debating.

im glad you posted those links though. i didnt know FWD DMs were running 8s!!!! that means it shouldnt be difficult for us then

I know, I was just throwing it out there early because I knew/know where these threads tend to go after a few pages. Had I not this would be at page something in the teens already.

Yeah but DSM's are in the rinse and repeat stage of the game now with most of their setups. Buy A,B,C,D,E,F,G,etc and run X.xx @ YYY . We like to bicker and discuss the same old stuff with the same old questions and the same old debates.

We basically spin our tires.

For years we stuck in the 10's running mostly low 11's and wondering why supras and DSM's and even Z's ran so much faster. All along I was saying look at the freaking turbos. Why the hell would you compare a dr650 car making roughly 450 AWHP running 22 psi to a supra with a SP77 making 980 RWHP running 35+ and then say they are both on the stock engine so its a comparison. Oh yes its happened, don't feel like searching for it.

I said years ago stick a setup like that on a 6g72 and run 35+ psi and see what happens for a comparison. Never happened, still hasn't happened but we are going big. The record that was held by Zesty Racing (Iwasaki) was using a set of HKS 2035 turbos for a supra, modified to be stuck on our engine. Just so happens that the 10.55 @ 135.5 just so happens to be the fastest time for those turbos, period.

If you were paying attention that was foreshadowing of things to come once you start putting equivalent setups on a 6g72. Same old 6g72, same old AWD VCU trannies, going 2 seconds faster and trapping 20 mph higher, why? Size of the setups and power from said setups.

Our so called little brothers (DSM's), even though we are the lookers and have all the potential have laid out a pretty nice clear path since they have the same pretty much the SAME vcu trannies we do, they have pretty much the same heads so whats left? Rinse and repeat. You want to go X.xx @ Y.yy, even if it has been done in a 3s yet, find a DSM that has accomplished it, go over their mods with a fine tooth comb for all the essential power mods involving the engine, turbos, and drivetrain to hold it, and apply said setup to your 6g72.

To make it simple you can if go single and bolt on the exact same turbo, its not like the 50% extra displacement is going to hurt anything though many of the times they are stroked to a 2.6 but whatever. You get it.

For me, I never got into this platform to go fast. I just like the looks, feel, and style of the car. Anything can go fast but not everything can look, and feel good, while doing it. Anyways you guys remember JB and his 14b setup, before IPO he was the fastest FWD. IIRC that was a adapter plate setup.

Followed up by Ty at speedfactor with his dr650 setup, but he had heads, and cams too IIRC (never got a clean run at decent boost). That shop is closed right?