Any FWD TT's running 12 or lower in the 1/4

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by maTT

you would have to cut a 1.6 or 1.7 60' to run a 12 with a 5 speed.

I predict jomojr will run 12's the next time he goes to the track with the ATX. He run a 13.2 with 9b's and a 2.1 60'. Now he has dr650's and we will throw on some DOT slicks.

oh and T2 has a traction bar on the back. It does help a lot but still does not provide anywhere near as much traction as an AWD car.

How much horsepower is he pushing?

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by maTT

you would have to cut a 1.6 or 1.7 60' to run a 12 with a 5 speed.

I predict jomojr will run 12's the next time he goes to the track with the ATX. He run a 13.2 with 9b's and a 2.1 60'. Now he has dr650's and we will throw on some DOT slicks.

oh and T2 has a traction bar on the back. It does help a lot but still does not provide anywhere near as much traction as an AWD car.

So do you think a 475whp FWD-TT weighing 2890lbs with an LSD and front/rear three point sway bars as well as coilovers and using Drag Radials could accomplish this?

[3startuna]

Originally Posted by raven1231

So do you think a 475whp FWD-TT weighing 2890lbs with an LSD and front/rear three point sway bars as well as coilovers and using Drag Radials could accomplish this?

You should be able to run 11s on that setup. thats ALOT of power!

Our biggest enemy is weight transfer during the launch, And also the final drive ratio of the FWD gearbox is too high. Switching to the Getrag tranny will help us get traction.

All we need to do as FWD people is follow the honda crowd, slicks, gut the car, and run wheelie bars

The problem is too much 3s owners have false pride. They all want to say i did "X on street tires" and tey are afraid of being called a ricer, so they wont do whats necessary to get the results.

In my eyes its just plain retarded, you would do every power mod under the sun but wouldnt get slicks wow your such a genius

[maTT]

Jomojr put down about 230FWHP with the ATX and 9b's.

475 should get you deep into the 12's.

[3startuna]

So the result is a FWDTT goes to the track, cant hook till third, runs a 14.2 @ 112

Is pissed off goes spends another 1500 on turbo upgrades goes to the track again runs a 13.4 @ 120. Keeps doing this and when you suggest slicks their like "I dont want a race car" or "I cant afford slicks"

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by 3startuna

You should be able to run 11s on that setup. thats ALOT of power!

Our biggest enemy is weight transfer during the launch, And also the final drive ratio of the FWD gearbox is too high. Switching to the Getrag tranny will help us get traction.

All we need to do as FWD people is follow the honda crowd, slicks, gut the car, and run wheelie bars

The problem is too much 3s owners have false pride. They all want to say i did "X on street tires" and tey are afraid of being called a ricer, so they wont do whats necessary to get the results.

In my eyes its just plain retarded, you would do every power mod under the sun but wouldnt get slicks wow your such a genius

In a way it makes sense I meen to go to the track with the same tires you come off it with and I would like to have the same balls on and off the track but if DR's or slicks is what its going to take then its well worth it

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by 3startuna

You should be able to run 11s on that setup. thats ALOT of power!

Our biggest enemy is weight transfer during the launch, And also the final drive ratio of the FWD gearbox is too high. Switching to the Getrag tranny will help us get traction.

All we need to do as FWD people is follow the honda crowd, slicks, gut the car, and run wheelie bars

The problem is too much 3s owners have false pride. They all want to say i did "X on street tires" and tey are afraid of being called a ricer, so they wont do whats necessary to get the results.

In my eyes its just plain retarded, you would do every power mod under the sun but wouldnt get slicks wow your such a genius

So would the Getrag 6spd help that much?

[3startuna]

Originally Posted by raven1231

In a way it makes sense I meen to go to the track with the same tires you come off it with and I would like to have the same balls on and off the track but if DR's or slicks is what its going to take then its well worth it

Yeah but think about it. Trap speed is what your car can do with its power and weight.

E/T is a function of traction and driving skills. In fact mainly traction. Like they say power is nothing without control, so why not buy good tires?

[Kibwe Walker]

http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?He...ype=AWD&Page=1
http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?He...ype=FWD&Page=1

You know when ipo was hyping up building T2, I gave him these links to point out the obvious. This platform is NOT going to reinvent the wheel. There is nothing we can do in a 3s that has not already been done extensively in a DSM. What the DSM platform has proven years ago is that the FWD has NO advantage over a AWD car with the same setup.

By no, I mean zero, none, nothing. They don't trap any higher, the don't handle any better, they don't provide any better E.T's at the strip.

You know based on the method of mathematically winning races you may want to say that oh a car that weighs less with the same power has got to run faster right? It makes perfect sense, then you test said hypothesis against the data that you have and it doesn't compute.

You pick a turbo or setup on the DSM or 3s platform and guarunteed you will find that the AWD car with that setup TRAPS either the same or HIGHER despite the weight and the et is a second or more difference with the same setup.

Apply it to our platform and it still holds true.

http://www.3squicklist.com/

[inperfectdarkness]

and if it WASN'T true...vr4's would be losing to camaro's more frequently.