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cerevo · 10-01-2007, 11:53 AM

where are you all getting E85? i dont think anyone around here sells it..

lethal_vr4 · 10-01-2007, 03:35 PM

Local co-op found it through: http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm

92RT-TT · 10-11-2007, 11:04 PM

I know you said that it should be safe on our cars because our fuel is 10 already... but what about my car, its 15 years old? About how much more boost can you run with everything else being stock besides the injectors, fuel pump, and afc?

leet · 10-12-2007, 06:08 AM

before I moved to europe I ran a 4:1 mix of 91/E85 for a good 2 years

that bumped up the octane enough to run 20psi on DSM 13g's and DSM SMIC's without knock, my fuel mods were 580cc injectors and a hotwired walbro

I also dynoed 343hp/356tq at 18psi, the car had WAY more left in it, long story short (24 bent valves

) I didn't have time to get it tuned very well before going to the dyno so I stayed fairly conservative

leet · 10-12-2007, 06:10 AM

also the DSM shop that was near me when I lived in oklahoma made 650hp on straight E85 in a 1g DSM, and I think 575 on the 4:1 mix

it's good to see 3si finally starting to come around to E85, I remember when I first heard about it and started using it, everyone said I was going to damage my car and it wouldn't work and that it wasn't worth it, even though there were tons of people on other platforms (DSM's specifically) before me that used it no problem and saw huge benefits

leet · 10-12-2007, 06:15 AM

oh one more thing, check out www.e85fuel.com they have a listing of all the stations around the country that sell it

lethal_vr4 · 10-12-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 92RT-TT

but what about my car, its 15 years old? About how much more boost can you run with everything else being stock besides the injectors, fuel pump, and afc?

Your car can run on E85 perfectly fine, providing you have enough fuel pump/injector to provide the needed fuel. Ideally, I'd recommend a fuel controller that could control timing, unlike your SAFC.

As for how much more boost you could run it will vary car by car depending on modifications, but if you open up your exhaust by getting a downpipe/testpipe and gutting pre-cats you should be able to max out your current setup... then it is time to look into a better fuel controller, bigger IC's, and a larger turbo setup.

Think of it like this. Running E85 is like running 110 race gas. You can safely run significantly more boost without worrying about detonation.

ver fer · 10-12-2007, 08:33 AM

You won't be able to run e-85 on the stock set up. You will need larger injectors and fuel pump.

I am currently running ~30% ethanol mix (3gal 110/2gal e-85) and my IDCs hit the high 90's.

I ran e-20 (20%,91 octane) to the NG this year and did a few pulls on the way and had no knock up to 18psi.

lethal_vr4 · 10-12-2007, 08:53 AM

I think he has a pump and injectors. BTW you coming up to RA this weekend?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92RT-TT

About how much more boost can you run with everything else being stock besides the injectors, fuel pump, and afc?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ver fer

You won't be able to run e-85 on the stock set up. You will need larger injectors and fuel pump. .

1stStealthN/A · 10-18-2007, 08:26 PM

E-85 conversion kit: http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/StoreFront

I have blended an E-20 mixture for over a year on my SL with no problems.
It's 93 octane and I pay less than regular 87 octane prices.

I may buy the kit but mileage will drop at least 5 mpg.

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92RT-TT Mr. Cheese Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hudson, WI Drives: 92 RT/TT & 94 SL Trader Rating: (11)	Re: E85 Powered VR4? I know you said that it should be safe on our cars because our fuel is 10 already... but what about my car, its 15 years old? About how much more boost can you run with everything else being stock besides the injectors, fuel pump, and afc?

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leet Now with more 40D Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgium / Michigan Drives: a 92 in 6th gear Trader Rating: (24)	Re: E85 Powered VR4? before I moved to europe I ran a 4:1 mix of 91/E85 for a good 2 years that bumped up the octane enough to run 20psi on DSM 13g's and DSM SMIC's without knock, my fuel mods were 580cc injectors and a hotwired walbro I also dynoed 343hp/356tq at 18psi, the car had WAY more left in it, long story short (24 bent valves ) I didn't have time to get it tuned very well before going to the dyno so I stayed fairly conservative __________________ the stealth is officially for sale, PM for info

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leet Now with more 40D Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgium / Michigan Drives: a 92 in 6th gear Trader Rating: (24)	Re: E85 Powered VR4? also the DSM shop that was near me when I lived in oklahoma made 650hp on straight E85 in a 1g DSM, and I think 575 on the 4:1 mix it's good to see 3si finally starting to come around to E85, I remember when I first heard about it and started using it, everyone said I was going to damage my car and it wouldn't work and that it wasn't worth it, even though there were tons of people on other platforms (DSM's specifically) before me that used it no problem and saw huge benefits Last edited by leet : 10-12-2007 at 06:14 AM.

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10-12-2007, 06:15 AM	#26 (permalink)
leet Now with more 40D Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgium / Michigan Drives: a 92 in 6th gear Trader Rating: (24)	Re: E85 Powered VR4? oh one more thing, check out www.e85fuel.com they have a listing of all the stations around the country that sell it

10-12-2007, 08:33 AM	#28 (permalink)
ver fer Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oshkosh,WI Trader Rating: (3)	Re: E85 Powered VR4? You won't be able to run e-85 on the stock set up. You will need larger injectors and fuel pump. I am currently running ~30% ethanol mix (3gal 110/2gal e-85) and my IDCs hit the high 90's. I ran e-20 (20%,91 octane) to the NG this year and did a few pulls on the way and had no knock up to 18psi. __________________ '94 vr4 - gutted precats-no main cat/ cheap-ass catback w/ebay fartcans/ custom dp/ hotwired walbro pump/ 13T's/ E-manage/ PTE 680cc injectors/ Blitz sbc i-d/ SBC DXD clutch/ Unorthodox flywheel/PST CFDS/18" Fittipaldi Forces Falken GR Beta FK-451

10-18-2007, 08:26 PM	#30 (permalink)
1stStealthN/A Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Burlington, WI Drives: 94 3000GT, 92 VR4 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: E85 Powered VR4? E-85 conversion kit: http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/StoreFront I have blended an E-20 mixture for over a year on my SL with no problems. It's 93 octane and I pay less than regular 87 octane prices. I may buy the kit but mileage will drop at least 5 mpg.