E85 Powered VR4?

[Ondontii]

I will be running e85 in my Devilsown kit because I dont really need the octane.

That said, e85 is going to destroy the alky market. Everything I have seen shows people able to replace C16 with 3-4 dollar a gallon pump e85
And thanks to our unethical government leaders and greedy farmers, we racers are benefiting from people starving
Racing class rules also seem to be changing to allow e85 fueling in previously 100% gasoline classes.
The alky vendors need to move towards supplemental injection strategies. (which is what I will use it for and many others use it for).

[dlabonte]

Originally Posted by Ondontii

I will be running e85 in my Devilsown kit because I dont really need the octane.

That said, e85 is going to destroy the alky market. Everything I have seen shows people able to replace C16 with 3-4 dollar a gallon pump e85
And thanks to our unethical government leaders and greedy farmers, we racers are benefiting from people starving
Racing class rules also seem to be changing to allow e85 fueling in previously 100% gasoline classes.
The alky vendors need to move towards supplemental injection strategies. (which is what I will use it for and many others use it for).

E-85 is a dead end street. You have to run 1/3 more fuel to get the same power as gasoline. Not enough acres in this country to replace fossil fuel with E-85, let alone requiring 1/3 more volume.

All you need is a couple of bad drought years in a row and we will be importing corn from China. Hmmm Lead based corn from China, then you could get rid of your catalytic converter once and for all again.

[Ondontii]

Originally Posted by dlabonte

E-85 is a dead end street. You have to run 1/3 more fuel to get the same power as gasoline. Not enough acres in this country to replace fossil fuel with E-85, let alone requiring 1/3 more volume.

All you need is a couple of bad drought years in a row and we will be importing corn from China. Hmmm Lead based corn from China, then you could get rid of your catalytic converter once and for all again.

Nobody here needs to be indoctrinated because you want to save your business. Corn ethanol is bad but the worldwide ethanol industry doesnt run on corn. Just America. Nobody is talking about running the country on e-85. This is a thread for performance vehicle's and street cars. Its not like you sell meth kits to 100hp commuter cars.
Ethanol fuel will never go away, and if they stop selling e-85 people will be running their own higher concentrations of ethanol.
People are learning that the misconceptions about alky are wrong, and that a little gasoline mixed into ethanol to make e-85..or even e-98 mixes are safe for most fuel systems and vastly superior for making power. When it comes down to it, thats all people care about.

Nobody really cares about burning 30% more fuel when the fuel costs 4x less then comparable race gas.

Mods need to come in here and delete all this crap.

E-85 fleet cars have been built in mass since the early 90's and a drought wont stop racers from running ethanol.

[PeralVR4]

[quote=Ondontii;4881045]
Nobody really cares about burning 30% more fuel when the fuel costs 4x less then comparable race gas.
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My exact reasoning. I bow

[Import Power]

Originally Posted by dlabonte

E-85 is a dead end street. You have to run 1/3 more fuel to get the same power as gasoline. Not enough acres in this country to replace fossil fuel with E-85, let alone requiring 1/3 more volume.

All you need is a couple of bad drought years in a row and we will be importing corn from China. Hmmm Lead based corn from China, then you could get rid of your catalytic converter once and for all again.

Do you honestly think this? Or are you just using it as propaganda hoping others will believe? The reason I ask is it sounds like you are arguing that E-85 is and can only be produced using Corn, and thusly E-85 is inherently flawed. If that is indeed the case, you may want to read up on what Ethanol is, what it can be made from, and how it burns better/cleaner, and helps the environment, and is even biodegradable. If you already know this...then shame on you for trying to save sales by using propaganda that you know is not true.

oh, and +2 for what Ondontii said

[jay04]

Yeah E85 can be made out of many things. Even garbage

[dlabonte]

I think you are reading to much into my post. I stated in this country (meaning the US) that ethanol plants use corn. We will see who is the first to complain when a box of Cheerios cost $10+.

Don't see how you can run 101-105 octane E-85 and make the same power as running C16 race gas. Someone please enlighten me on this.

Yep have done meth injection on commuter cars. Customer in VA did a small turbo on a Honda Insight. Was able to lean A/F out to 18:1. Customer stated that they were faster then stock Mustangs and still got 75MPG down the highway when racing.

For replacing expensive race gas, pump gas with ethanol injection would lead to higher hp for racing then running straight E85.

[dlabonte]

[quote=PeralVR4;4881058]

Originally Posted by Ondontii

Nobody really cares about burning 30% more fuel when the fuel costs 4x less then comparable race gas.
QUOTE]

My exact reasoning. I bow

Depends on the type of racing you do. 30% more fuel means larger fuel cell and more weight. For drag racing I would agree with you, road course or circle track lots of peole will care.

[UPP]

Wow....I'm totally convinced!

That's it, I'm switching back over to regular fuel! No more starving kids (at least in the US right?), cause we have a huge problem with that. And Cheerio's....those are my FAVORITE!!! I'd much rather pay $1.50 more per gallon, than $7.00 more for Chereeo's! I mean really do the math...in one month, I eat 4 boxes of Cheereos ($28.00 increase) in fuel I burn ~60 gallons ($90 increase)....Meth injection all the way baby!!! (cause then I can spend $7/gal for that too!)



No but really though, this is probably the stupidest conversation I've seen in a while on here. I'm not trying to flame, but wholy shit....

#1, Chereeo's is made primarily from WHEAT...not corn, as are 1/2 the products we eat...bread, flour, noodles, most cereals (some rice, some corn),
#2. Last time I checked there weren't any starving kids desperately in need of a corn product. Infact if you eat too much you could get "pop corn lung" (no I'm not making that up!)
#3. I would much rather support the "greedy farmers" of AMERICA, than the TERRORISTS of the middle east!
#4. It's better for the environment. PERIOD
#5. It's cheaper than gas, even equated out using 30% more, it is, I've done the math, and so should you.
#6. It's higher octane than reguar fuel, cheaper than race gas, and based off the amount of people that have decided to run it....it's a good fit!
#7. Sure 30% larger fuel cell would minimally effect weight in a car, but since you're going through it faster wouldnt' it only have an effect on the beguninning of the race? And how much does one of your meth kits weigh, with a full container, one big enough to last an entire race? If I was really that desperate to save weight, I'd eat alot of exlax and take a really good shit before I went out!

"Meth injection is a band-aid for a turbo system that wasn't designed properly"- Corkey Bell Maximum Boost

I'm not knocking meth, it has it's place. Like in a seperate fuel cell, with a seperate pump, getting sprayed in place of fuel in my nitrous system....

Making sales is one thing "my product is great because..." but pulling things out your ass to knock competitve form.....that's just childish....


UPP

[Hammer]

To get back on topic, Do you guys think building an engine from ground up to
run on E85 could run higher compression with turbos?
How about 10:1 compression with WRX 19T TD04HL turbos?
Do you think I could push 26 psi boost on a setup like that with E85
with its anti knock ability? This is getting close to a diesel turbo engine.
Put stage 3 heads on it to flow better it could be a wild street car.
Of course if it worked you would be in a world of hurt if one put 93 premium in it.

But my thought is to optimize the setup from the ground up to maximize E85
fuel for street use. Thoughts? AEM would be a must for something like this.