1st gen datalogging info

[7eddiedoowop7]

Originally Posted by 7eddiedoowop7

If I need it, can someone help me in setting up the SM3 for the info I need? It looks like I can do it, but someone with experience on these unit's would be a great help.

Question: the SM3 displays and recalls values, but does not "log" by itself, right? For that I would need a Palm? Some one using both, please elaborate...

[7eddiedoowop7]

Can someone please help...

I got a palm m105 used, I had to dl the desktop software. It installed, i got the 1st hotsync to work, but i can't get the quick install to do anything. I tried skipping that and installing mmcd that came with the sm3....that won't work either. I already created a user in palm desktop but i keep getting this message: "No desktop users exist. Create a new user through Palm Desktop and then start Quick Install again."

And when i try to install the mmcd software : "Windows cannot find ...../mmcd.prc" (path omitted)

I have a newer computer with Vista 32 home edition (the regular one, not 64-bit or premium or server or any of that stuff)

Also, how would i connect to the palm to the sm3 with the rs232 cable? the palm only has that connector for the cradle on the bottom, no other ports (rs232 or otherwise) are there.

Can someone please help? I am having the WORST luck with everything with my car... did i just waste my money on this? is it too old? is my computer too new?

I really appreciate anyone who wants to help

[7eddiedoowop7]

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A few more questions about the loggers:

Are the older palm's (m100, m500 series, specifically the m505) and the required software compatible with Windows Vista?

does the palm used for logging NEED to have an rs232 port if used with the scanmaster 3?

Is there a cable that converts the palm-to-cradle connection on one side to rs232 on the other? would that work if there is such a cable?

Anyone with the scanmaster 3, your input is appreciated!

[eyeluvmy3kgt]

My setup goes like this: (i don't know correct terminology for the cables so I will just describe what they look like)

SM3 --> phone jack --> phone jack/9 pin adapter --> 9 pin/palm plugin cable.

the "phone jack" cable came w/ the scanmaster (maybe it was purchase separately but definately came from full throttle)

I can't remember where the adapter came from.

As far as loading the software, mine is old (palm OS v 4.1). But you should have to add the MMcd program file to your hotsync. Make sure you are adding the program file and not trying to add a zipped folder or some other file type. Then it should put the program on your palm if you hotsync successfully. On mine, i have to manually open up the hotsync application. It doesn't automatically open when i attach the palm to the cradle.

I have the hotsync cradle plugged into the back of my desktop computer. It is a 9 pin and my laptop doesn't have it. I'm guessing I would have to spend some money on a new cable or adapter to get it to work with the laptop.

If you get that far you will need the MMcd tool to get the files from palm format to a format readable in a spreadsheet. Let me know if you need help with that.

[3kgtslme]

TTT

starting a weekly bump...

Im getting tired of anwreing these type fo questions a couple of time a day.

sticky anyone?

[julian2002]

is there a decent guide somewhere describing how to interpret the logs you get and how to use all the features?
i have mmcd on a palm and a sick gto tt. i need to get the two together at some point but it's all just squiggly lines apart from the obvious ones like rpm and the like...

[OhioSpyderman]

Originally Posted by julian2002

is there a decent guide somewhere describing how to interpret the logs you get and how to use all the features?
i have mmcd on a palm and a sick gto tt. i need to get the two together at some point but it's all just squiggly lines apart from the obvious ones like rpm and the like...

Which software are you using?
Can you post up a snippet of the output?

Bob.

[OhioSpyderman]

Well SHIT, I completely missed the MMC'd part.

Are you setting the logger to "graph" or "log"?

The data should be stored as "values", if you review your data using the "graph" interface, you'll just see squiggly lines.

You need to get the files off the Palm (using the Palm Desktop utility) and then open the log files with excel....

Bob.

[julian2002]

he he, yeah i've just been using the 'graph' interface for now however i need to actually log the car while it's misfiring (in the 2-3k rpm range) once i do that's when i need to actually start trying to work out what the hell it all means.
i remember seeing a post or page about using mmcd to diagnose problems and a list of what not to do - aren;t there some tests you can do that will cause issues if not done correctly? tbh this is why i've been a bit reticent to go poking about with it. i really don;t want to screw my poor baby up any more...

[7eddiedoowop7]

Back with an update! Thanks for all the help so far.

Palm says the version of "Palm Desktop" software I need for the m505 I have is NOT compatible with Windows Vista (all versions). That explains alot Get the version of Palm Desktop from Palm website for your particular model. I have the m505, so for me it was 4.1.4. I can't say it enough, many versions, like 4.1.4, only support Windows XP or older. There is some Mac support from what I saw, but I know little of Mac OS.

I got everything to work. It's very simple if you are using the right version of windows. 1.) Install the Palm Desktop software on the PC you'll be using. 2.) Restart PC. 3.)Plug in Palm to PC (using cradle and/or cables). 4.)Open Palm Desktop, click on "Quick Install." 5.)Drag the MMCd.prc file into the top part (not the memory card). 6.)Click install or hotsync, click ok on the user, and it should be done very quickly. ***NOTE: If you try using Vista, expect weird and endless error messages! IT WONT WORK!!***

If you're like me and you have Vista, save yourself the headache and don't even try it! I spent hours messing with it on my super-fast PC. Went to my buddies and used his old and slow XP-equipped machine, and had it working in 10 minutes.

Connecting to the SM3 - Phone wire connects from back of SM3 to the female adapter (phone jack to serial jack). Using a Palm Serial Hotsync Cable (may have to purchase), plug Palm connector into Palm device (duh) and serial end into serial female adapter. It goes:
SM3(rs232)--[phone line]-->Female Adapter(rs232/serial)--[serial hotsync]-->Palm Device

I will update again once I get my ECU back from AvPro. I hope this info is helpful. Is there a guide to using MMCd? Could someone post a link?