Rod Issue

[rock105]

Funny thing (I spent a ton of money IPS) after looking at the crank bearings. My second set of main bearings since IPS preformed a complete rebuild. The first set of mains failed in less than 500 miles. I noticed my engine had crower rods and Jeff reccomended me pauter and my invoice indicated that I had bought pauter rods. What your guys opinion on this?

[Gramdollar]

Originally Posted by rock105

Funny thing (I spent a ton of money IPS) after looking at the crank bearings. My second set of main bearings since IPS preformed a complete rebuild. The first set of mains failed in less than 500 miles. I noticed my engine had crower rods and Jeff reccomended me pauter and my invoice indicated that I had bought pauter rods. What your guys opinion on this?

it was an honest mistake and they will more than likely gladly fix it for you

you should give them a call

...also next time you should go directly to the source of your issue

[rock105]

Originally Posted by Gramdollar

it was an honest mistake and they will more than likely gladly fix it for you

you should give them a call

...also next time you should go directly to the source of your issue

I have went directly to the horses mouth plenty times and just get the go around. Keep finding stuff the deeper I get into the engine this is only the small stuff that I mentioned. Have put at least 100 hours in the car since getting it back form IPS, has been a complete headache trust me.

[jwetzler]

Originally Posted by rock105

Funny thing (I spent a ton of money IPS) after looking at the crank bearings. My second set of main bearings since IPS preformed a complete rebuild. The first set of mains failed in less than 500 miles. I noticed my engine had crower rods and Jeff reccomended me pauter and my invoice indicated that I had bought pauter rods. What your guys opinion on this?

I would question what is actually causing your main bearings to fail. It could be a few things, like the worksmanship of the assembly, things out of spec... is it a new crank, or did you re-use your old crank and just have it reground with oversiszed bearings? is it a cast crank from a 1st gen or a forged crank?

I've dealt with jeff before and only have good things to say about him and his business. I've ran into an issue before, but he has always been willing to make things right for me. He stays pretty busy though, so you will probably have to call and stay on him about this.

[Gramdollar]

Originally Posted by rock105

I have went directly to the horses mouth plenty times and just get the go around. Keep finding stuff the deeper I get into the engine this is only the small stuff that I mentioned. Have put at least 100 hours in the car since getting it back form IPS, has been a complete headache trust me.

well i've heard almost nothing but good about IPS. there is the occasional grr where's my downpipe, and they have issues with not having things in stock but they've always appeared to be honest in every situation.

but i agree with you, i would be frustrated with finding stuff that isn't right. so if i were you i'd just point blank tell them to make it right. because i can't imagine why they wouldn't

[rock105]

Originally Posted by jwetzler

I would question what is actually causing your main bearings to fail. It could be a few things, like the worksmanship of the assembly, things out of spec... is it a new crank, or did you re-use your old crank and just have it reground with oversiszed bearings? is it a cast crank from a 1st gen or a forged crank?

I've dealt with jeff before and only have good things to say about him and his business. I've ran into an issue before, but he has always been willing to make things right for me. He stays pretty busy though, so you will probably have to call and stay on him about this.

The problems I mentioned before is only a few of the problems with the car. The cranks is a 2nd generation stock forged crank that came out in my car, being this is the second time the first being in the first 500 miles. I personally think IPS just threw some mains in under the car after the first failure and reccomended me to run straight 50 weight oil in the crankcase to cover it up for a while until it happens again. Mike at Ips said they did plug up the oil squirters to the pistons after the first failure. But guess what its back again. I believe the crank wasn't setup properly by IPS the first time around and its going to happen until I can get someone a hold of the bottom end that knows what they are doing and someone that doesn't take short cuts by adding band aids. This build has been a complete headache and I mean one of those migraines. Hell I have a buick grand national that I drive on the street with 725 whp and it has not been hardly any trouble.

[IPSjeff]

Originally Posted by rock105

Funny thing (I spent a ton of money IPS) after looking at the crank bearings. My second set of main bearings since IPS preformed a complete rebuild. The first set of mains failed in less than 500 miles. I noticed my engine had crower rods and Jeff reccomended me pauter and my invoice indicated that I had bought pauter rods. What your guys opinion on this?

To be honest, IMO, there is no difference at all between Crower and Pauter rods when it comes to one being "Better" than the other. For those looking for forged rods they are one in the same (In terms of build quality) and we go with whatever is available. Sometimes Crower rods are on a 10-week backorder so we go with Pauter, and many times its Vice-versa. I would only suggest going with one over the other because of availability and nothing else.

If in fact one set was installed Vs the other it was a clerical error on my part and nothing more.

Contine on with the conspiracy theories though
Jeff

[jhut03]

Originally Posted by IPSjeff

To be honest, IMO, there is no difference at all between Crower and Pauter rods when it comes to one being "Better" than the other. For those looking for forged rods they are one in the same (In terms of build quality) and we go with whatever is available. Sometimes Crower rods are on a 10-week backorder so we go with Pauter, and many times its Vice-versa.

If in fact one set was installed Vs the other it was a clerical error on my part and nothing more.

Contine on with the conspiracy theories though
Jeff

I can understand his frustration but everytime I have gotten mad about not knowing whats going on you are always just a phone call away. He def should have called you first and figured it out before coming on here and throqing your name in the dirt.

so hows the car coming? If you dont call me today sometime ill call you to see how its going...

[IPSjeff]

Originally Posted by rock105

I personally think IPS just threw some mains in under the car after the first failure and reccomended me to run straight 50 weight oil in the crankcase to cover it up for a while until it happens again. Mike at Ips said they did plug up the oil squirters to the pistons after the first failure. But guess what its back again. I believe the crank wasn't setup properly by IPS the first time around and its going to happen until I can get someone a hold of the bottom end that knows what they are doing and someone that doesn't take short cuts by adding band aids.

Tim,
We have talked many times about how you have added Meth to the car and started doing your own EMS tuning (Especially since it wasnt running enough timing so you bumped it up) and have kept it at 20+psi and how great the car pulls and on and on (Presumably to imply Brett doesn't know how to correctly tune one of these cars ) and now months later you think there might be a shortblock problem so the logical issue is the engine build?

I drove the car down to you (The first time) after weeks of dyno pulls here (Most because of boost stability issues) and you let the car sit in your driveway for maybe 3 minutes on a 80+ degree day (I had just driven 6+ hours) and then went out and beat the living hell out of the car for a solid 15-20 minutes. The next day you call and say you couldn't figure out the boost controller so it "Apparently" or "Accidentally" spiked to 28+psi a couple times before you got it re-set and even then I covered the engine build for you because of the time-span.

Cars driven hard are on borrowed time. Whether its your GN (Which was getting rebuilt the entire time we had your VR4) or your sprayed Beretta (Which you told me you have rebuilt 7 or 8 times now) or any one of your Quads or Dirtbikes (Most of which had nitrous on them) that you told me you have rebuilt numerous times or even a customers brand new '07 Z06 that blew up with 3182 miles due to him tracking it and driving it hard as often as possible, modded cars driven hard are going to break -- repeatedly.

Email me your AEM logs to: sales@ipsmotorsports.net and we will discuss other possible causes if there is indeed something wrong with the shortblock.
Jeff

[IPSjeff]

Originally Posted by jhut03

so hows the car coming? If you dont call me today sometime ill call you to see how its going...

Very good. I will call you today and give you an update
Jeff