Billet 3.0L Crank??

[Devilmightcry]

Originally Posted by ras463us

Good for you Kaddo! But i'm trying to progress the future of higher performace options for our cars, not just what everyone else has done. LIke I said here, and on the other thread. There are a couple of combinations that would be nice see offered as off the shelf units. Sure if someone wants to go wild, they will need a custom. But why not progress the options we have. We know that there are plenty of 3.5 blocks out there, and that they fit in our cars with minor mods. Why not offer a 3.5 crank? Why not offer the 3.8 crank, it is nearly a perfect drop in, in the 3.5 block? .

i was thinking about putting 6g74 on my car, but i figured the block is wider and higher than 72. that means we can not use any available turbo kit on that block. possibly the bigest turbo we can fit on the rear bank would be td05 16gs and i'm saying if they fit there. so basicly we need a custom turbo kit as well for a 74 block in a 3/s. so we have 2 option. a custom turbo kit to lay out like Ray's or Nelson's car or a custom single turbo kit.74 engine swap cost alot more than just an engine.

[ras463us]

Originally Posted by Devilmightcry

i was thinking about putting 6g74 on my car, but i figured the block is wider and higher than 72. that means we can not use any available turbo kit on that block. possibly the bigest turbo we can fit on the rear bank would be td05 16gs and i'm saying if they fit there. so basicly we need a custom turbo kit as well for a 74 block in a 3/s. so we have 2 option. a custom turbo kit to lay out like Ray's or Nelson's car or a custom single turbo kit.74 engine swap cost alot more than just an engine.

The only difference between the 72 and the 74 block is the deck height. The 74 is 17.5mm higher, or about 0.689". The are only a hand full of parts that are not swappable. Those would be anything that bridges the heads. Like the lower plenum, water neck, and the Altentator bracket.

[Kaddo]

Originally Posted by ras463us

The only difference between the 72 and the 74 block is the deck height. The 74 is 17.5mm higher, or about 0.689". The are only a hand full of parts that are not swappable. Those would be anything that bridges the heads. Like the lower plenum, water neck, and the Altentator bracket.

If your looking for a stroker call ray he has one and im sure he can hook you up with somone who can make the 4.0 for you. This is for everyone else who wants a 3.0L. Their are stroker options out their for you already. Use them 72/74, 74, 74/75 as well as the 3.7L 72. This is just another option... Why would MVP build a stroker kit when their 4 already out their?

[ras463us]

I don't need to call Ray. I am plenty capable of building my own engines. I've been doing it for years. Ray's strokers, to the best of my knowledge, are not billet cranks either.

This is getting to be a pissing match that doesn't need to be. All I asked of MVP is to look at the option of being able to offer other combinations besides the stock OE specs. Is that so fucking hard for you to understand! They asked for suggestions, and I gave them one. Enough said!

[chops]

Originally Posted by ras463us

I am merely making a suggestion to concider other combination besides the stock 3.0 direct OE replacement.

That is exactly what I wanted. Kaddo brought it up to me saying it would be a good seller but I didn't want to go off and produce something that most of the community would not be interested in.

Went ahead and posted up a poll to see what the general public would like to see.

Robert

[Devilmightcry]

i think it's better to explane what each pull means.
about Direct OE Replacement . is it talking about same size 3.0L bilet crank?
and about OE Replacement with custom journal sizes. is it talking about the stroker with oem 6g74 bilet crank. or is it talking about the stroker with stock 6g74 forged crank with different journal sizes?
i think if you make a pull on general section, more people would see the pull.

Originally Posted by ras463us

The only difference between the 72 and the 74 block is the deck height. The 74 is 17.5mm higher, or about 0.689". The are only a hand full of parts that are not swappable. Those would be anything that bridges the heads. Like the lower plenum, water neck, and the Altentator bracket.

i know that. when i was reading one of 74 engine swap the prsone who put the engine on said there is a much less room between rear head and fire wall. i thought well that meand we can't fit any turbo bigger than td05. that would be great if someone can test and see what would be the biggest turbo that can fit on the rear head, but still we have to make a custom down pipe. i'm sure ips single turbo kit won't work on 74 block either.

[mitsuman03]

You would have MUCH better luck having a 3.0 crank cut. Alot of people jump on the wagon of .." hey ya..i want a 3.wtf ever crank"...then end up not following up on that offer. But a direct replacment would benifit sales. You could even bore the block to say a 3.1. Some of the things i read scare the shit out of me on these "hype my stroke threads"...reving an engine to 10k??? I stopped reading the rest of the thread after that post. Reguardless, there isn't gonna be a bunch of enthusiasts making that magic number of "800AWHP" maybe some should set there goals more realistic..like maybe breaking 600..., only a select few will make the 700Plus club..but also will be able to take on the problems that follow with that amont of abuse to power ratio to the car itself.

[Devilmightcry]

Originally Posted by mitsuman03

You would have MUCH better luck having a 3.0 crank cut. Alot of people jump on the wagon of .." hey ya..i want a 3.wtf ever crank"...then end up not following up on that offer. But a direct replacment would benifit sales. You could even bore the block to say a 3.1. Some of the things i read scare the shit out of me on these "hype my stroke threads"...reving an engine to 10k??? I stopped reading the rest of the thread after that post. Reguardless, there isn't gonna be a bunch of enthusiasts making that magic number of "800AWHP" maybe some should set there goals more realistic..like maybe breaking 600..., only a select few will make the 700Plus club..but also will be able to take on the problems that follow with that amont of abuse to power ratio to the car itself.

Ray is reviung his stock crank up to 9k. i don't think 1000 more rpm with a fully balanced crank with good oil pump and good dampner would make that much difference. still it depend on power band. maybe there is no need to rev that high. there is a resone people won't push their car to 700 or more whp.one they can't afford it or they are scare of craking or braking or flexing crank and spuning bearings. i'm sure bilet crank can solve some of the problem if not all.

[chops]

There seems to be a few people who have looked into this and didn't see any reason to go through with it as a stroker crank would only be a little more. Any more opinions?

Robert

[Devilmightcry]

Originally Posted by chops

There seems to be a few people who have looked into this and didn't see any reason to go through with it as a stroker crank would only be a little more. Any more opinions?

Robert

well. it would be great if you guys can come up with a stroker for less than $3800. Ras463us could make a crank and rods for 6g74 2900 shipped on a group buy. i would think a set of pistons should cost $600. that's $3500 for a whole stroker kit. still that would be great if you guys can come up with a price for a stroker.