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Old 11-18-2012, 01:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all! Sorry for posting so many threads lately.
I've been listening and learning quite a bit.

So I wanted to ask how you think I'm doing with my plan for a 60k overhaul.

Sorry, no video game references or anything unrealistic for current plans.
Several of these are per wise advise, so you can see I am listening.

The plan/cost:
Full TC seals&bearings rebuild: $100 3sx
Clutch, pressure plate, release bearing OEM, $320 (Cherry Hill right?)

1st&2nd gear syncro set for transmission.

AWD Transmission Internals - Synchronizers / Synchros Synchro Rings*-*Mitsubishi 3000GT*/*Dodge Stealth Parts
$400
Need 1st as well same price not as urgent as described. 2nd 70% gone, 1st 50% gone.

$180+balance Machine shop service for block, crank, rods, HB.

$50 Driveshaft Carrier bearing set lifetime warranty, ebay.

$400 Misc: Sealant, grease, oil flush, oil, oil filter, shop rental, etc.

$2,000 est.

We can rebuild 1st and second gear in the transmission. (Remove grind, ensure long term reliability)

Bore out the block for new pistons, rings, piston pins, crank bearings, main bearings.
Check/grind true crankshaft and rods.
Balance the rotating assembly: Crankshaft, pistons, pins, rods, harmonic balancer.
Rebuild the whole block with listed parts + oil pump+60k service: Water pump, timing belt, 2 tensioners.
FULL block-low end of engine ALL NEW

Drive shaft carrier bearings will remove clunk sounds/future problems from ignoring it.

Transfer Case seal and bearing rebuild kit will stop impending failure of TC.

Am I on the right track here?
Thanks for your helpful and kind input!
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. TC - get a brace from Maximal or someone.
2. Clutch - good
3. syncro's usually just need the friction ring $85 each for 1st and 2nd. Those 2 are easy to change. 3rd not so much

I always have concerns when someone puts VR4 and machine shop in the same sentence. Close is just not close enough with these cars. What's good on Chevy small block isn't on a 6g72. I got a fresh rebuilt short block with a project car I bought. I had to have it rebuilt be the only machine shop we in N. Texas trust with these cars.

What kind of pistons did you get? Also use only OEM head gaskets.

oh and new oil pumps aren't cheap.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Build update, on the right track?

Thanks for the reply.

I was looking at needed/wanted 3sx TC braces but didn't think it was in the budget.
If I don't need $800 in syncros only $200 or less that will make room!

Going with OEM clutch kit, seeing as I DD it a lot more than race.

Pistons? Came with kit, .30 mm decked. Unbranded #s read: PA55014T .50

Gaskets are by Evergreen, not heard of them, but they look like pretty decent quality.

Planning on changing head gaskets again when rebuilding top of engine a little later.
Will buy an OEM head gasket for that job for sure.

Buying a cheap new oil pump for now, will get OEM later when funds are available.

I try really hard to avoid cheaping out best I can but also get as much as I can done.
IK I will be going back to replace head gaskets/oil pump and a few others.

So for now get only the syncro friction rings for 1 & 2?

Poured a concrete pad in my mechanic's new driveway last night, starting repairs soon.

I've only considered machine shops that work on race engines, I want a tight build.
Never rebuilt an engine before, never had one worthy until now.
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Buying a cheap new oil pump for now, will get OEM later when funds are available.
Have fun on your NEXT rebuild LOL. You were talking about exhaust and stuff in another thread, and now you are going to go cheap on an oil pump? Seriously?
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Ok, you guys are right on about the oil pump.
I agree I don't want to leave an expensive rebuild with a cheap oil pump.
Not even for a bit if I can help it.
I'll see if I can take back my non-OEM oil pump to get OEM.
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there AREEEEEEE quality alternatives to OEM parts for some things, pistons, bearings, sparkwlugs/wires ect ect but in this case man, they're right

the 6g72 really demands 2 things specifically as OEM components only for a rebuild

OEM headstuds/mls revised headgasket

OEM oil pump

on everything else, people have had varying degree's of success/failure/indifference between oem and the aftermarket

- the next Q before you go all pump crazy is- do you absolutely KNOOOWWWWWWww your pump is bad/worn out? have you considered rebuilding it with billet gears- ie superior to the OEM pump?

just some things to mull over before you jump on any more parts.

when putting this car together, consider what you intentions may turn into later, if you were thinking theres ANY inkling at all you'd like to upgrade to a more peppy setup, such as 13g's/13t's, NOW would be the time to lay the groundwork for a reliable 400-450awhp pumpgas daily driver.. IE things like stronger than oem replacement clutch and bracing should be things considered for example. Save the money and labor down the road and take care of it now if you have any interest in making this car any faster......otherwise carry on, if you just want it rebuilt stock as stock can be
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About to place an order on 3sx.
Per advise contents are as follows:

TransferCaseSealKit - Transfer Case Seal Repair Kit AWD 3000GT/Stealth - $79.95
TCaseBracketMP-5spd2 - MP Transfer Case Bracket Brace 5-speed STAGE 2 CAGE - $159.95

TranAWDSynch-5sp-1CFR - Tranny AWD Synchro Ring 5sp - 1st Gear CENTER FRICTION ONLY - $84.95

TranAWDSynch-5sp-2CFR - Tranny AWD Synchro Ring 5sp - 2nd Gear CENTER FRICTION ONLY - $84.95

Super happy about this! Will fix a lot of issues at once.
I may not take on the engine rebuild yet, the transmission is worse off at the moment.
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fix the known problems and keep the budget on standby if your transmission turns out to be in worse shape than you thought when you crack it open

these cars are getting to be pretty old, and who knows what they've seen before you got your hands on yours
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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there AREEEEEEE quality alternatives to OEM parts for some things, pistons, bearings, sparkwlugs/wires ect ect but in this case man, they're right

the 6g72 really demands 2 things specifically as OEM components only for a rebuild

OEM headstuds/mls revised headgasket

OEM oil pump

on everything else, people have had varying degree's of success/failure/indifference between oem and the aftermarket

- the next Q before you go all pump crazy is- do you absolutely KNOOOWWWWWWww your pump is bad/worn out? have you considered rebuilding it with billet gears- ie superior to the OEM pump?

just some things to mull over before you jump on any more parts.

when putting this car together, consider what you intentions may turn into later, if you were thinking theres ANY inkling at all you'd like to upgrade to a more peppy setup, such as 13g's/13t's, NOW would be the time to lay the groundwork for a reliable 400-450awhp pumpgas daily driver.. IE things like stronger than oem replacement clutch and bracing should be things considered for example. Save the money and labor down the road and take care of it now if you have any interest in making this car any faster......otherwise carry on, if you just want it rebuilt stock as stock can be
Thanks for the kind insightful reply.
My stock pump has 165k on it & it still has good pressure.
Can you please link me to better than OEM oil pump rebuild parts?

I'm buying the TC stage 2 brace kit and some stronger carrier bearings.
My goal is a reliable DD/mostly factory + peppy touring car.
But I agree with you about laying a foundation to build on.

Clutch I'm going with OEM for now as I do a lot more DD than racing.

Eventually I'm going to get the crazy triple plate clutch.
I'm going to take care of more important things first.
Also, want to get the hardened O/S before crazy strong clutch.

I don't want to twist or break anything, but I do want a strong DD.
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ebay and quality usually cant exist at the same time. Some lifetime warranty products arent worth their warranty when they fail repeatedly or the company disappears.

As pointed out there are quality alternatives to some OEM parts, but be careful which ones you choose.

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