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Black_Sunshine · 02-15-2008, 04:20 PM

i ended buying the synchro kit and 3rd gear synchro from Philip @ super-car. he charged $89 for the 3rd gear synchro. no shipping charge on mine since i ordered other parts, so he'll just throw it in there i guess.

cbehnken · 02-15-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_Sunshine

i ended buying the synchro kit and 3rd gear synchro from Philip @ super-car. he charged $89 for the 3rd gear synchro. no shipping charge on mine since i ordered other parts, so he'll just throw it in there i guess.

good info, I guess he doesn't have enough to post them on the site.

Ondontii · 02-15-2008, 06:16 PM

So are these actually still being made in japan or are these just the last few left there?

I would be best advised to stop shopping for an AWD parts car if the trans are turning into dead ends. I really really really dont want that to happen cause I love the AWD platform.

cbehnken · 02-15-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ondontii

So are these actually still being made in japan or are these just the last few left there?

I would be best advised to stop shopping for an AWD parts car if the trans are turning into dead ends. I really really really dont want that to happen cause I love the AWD platform.

the factory ones are coming from mitsu Japan. Apparently Getrag still does production runs will it is necessary.

northbend or another company will eventually begin producing all the syncros. There is enough demand that someone will eventually step up and make the parts. If nothing else if your syncro teeth are not damaged it would be possible to have new coatings put on them.

If need be I do not see why the syncros could not be machined on a cnc machine and then coated with friction material. It is not like it is rocket science.

JackM · 02-15-2008, 06:51 PM

The rings are usually cast. To CNC a ring would be horribly expensive. We have a good customer here who is a jeweler. He has all of the equipment and know-how to cast bronze rings, but even that was going to be too expensive. We take these parts prices from the manufacturer for granted. For as complex as these parts are, they are amazingly cheap. There is no way to make these parts for the same price as the manufacturer unless someone were to order several hundred or thousand of them at a time. Spider gears for the DSM trannies come to mind. A few of us got together to have a run of over 500 gears made. It still quoted out to cost more for those gears with a lot of 500 made than it was to buy the factory $169.00 kit for only a pair of them...

There are some rings floating around that were made in China that look like they fit our trannies, but they grind or shift like crap. If you find someone that can do it for cheap, like in China, you get a cheap part that doesn't work. You have to pay when it comes to that stuff, and with a car like the 3S that is getting older and is acquiring more owners that are not willing to pay for the correct parts, you have more people less interested in making parts for them.

Jack

1997GTX · 02-17-2008, 12:36 PM

I'm still looking for a 2nd gear synchro and slider, as well as a 3rd gear slider if anyone knows where to get them.

Thanks!
--Adam

Black_Sunshine · 02-18-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JackM

I just got an over-seas shipment in and refilled my stock of OEM factory synchro rings for our rebuilds, but had enough that I can sell some if anyone is interested. I have the following:

1G, 93' trans, 3rd and 4th gear ring- $80each

2G, ALL years, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th gear rings- $80each

These are not knock-offs, they are factory original units.

Jack

Jack, i sent you a pm. i'd like to buy one of those 3rd gear synchros for the 5 spd.

akotten · 04-04-2008, 09:10 AM

Hey guys, the parts I ordered from my dodge dealer turned out to be the right ones except for the synchros because they were the all brass version. I ordered the entire hub assembly for 3rd gear, 2 extra synchros, and a the 3rd gear itself for I think a little over $500. I just ordered a synchro from JackM to replace the one Dodge sent me. I was told by the dealer that there were only 2 of the gears left in the US which were located at two different dealerships, so they contacted the dealer for me and shipped it out. I guess I can say that I got pretty lucky.

Alex

1997GTX · 04-07-2008, 01:26 PM

Nice, Alex! Have you had any luck finding a good 2nd gear synchro?

akotten · 04-14-2008, 07:25 PM

Yeah I guess I was wrong....haha....my transmission shop told me last week the parts didn't fit.....So I'm gonna try and return them and now I need to find a new 3rd gear. I haven't looked for a 2nd Gear synchro.....so I guess I wouldn't know.

02-15-2008, 04:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
Black_Sunshine Boost Happy Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bay Area CALI Drives: a japanese dodge Trader Rating: (61)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? i ended buying the synchro kit and 3rd gear synchro from Philip @ super-car. he charged $89 for the 3rd gear synchro. no shipping charge on mine since i ordered other parts, so he'll just throw it in there i guess. __________________

02-15-2008, 06:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
Ondontii SOHC you in the FACE Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle and SaltLake Trader Rating: (0)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? So are these actually still being made in japan or are these just the last few left there? I would be best advised to stop shopping for an AWD parts car if the trans are turning into dead ends. I really really really dont want that to happen cause I love the AWD platform. __________________ Brent 1992 Duster -13.0@104 - 8psi boost and slipping clutch -13.9@107.4 - 5psi - 6g72 3.13L "built" SOHC, Precision T67 P-trim, Tial 38mm open dump, 3" downpipe, 20x12x3" evo style intercooler, 7:1 compression, balanced, shot peened rods, heavily ported heads (+40% on flowbench), Ferrea Competition Plus +2 +1 stainless valves, Nielson Vintage 278 duration custom turbo cams, RPW Cam gears, Custom Ram Style short runner intake manifold, Walbro 255hp, 6*47# injectors, +0.096" Forged Venolias, Total Seal chrome gapless top rings, Fidandza Flywheel, Clutchnet 3 puck solid hub, OBX Helical LSD, Zeitronix wideband/EGT/Boost sensors, 100watt DevilsOwn Meth Kit. 1994 Spirit - 13.987@101.89 - 5psi- 6g72 SOHC, K27 Turbo

02-15-2008, 06:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
JackM jackstransmissions.com Join Date: Jun 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? The rings are usually cast. To CNC a ring would be horribly expensive. We have a good customer here who is a jeweler. He has all of the equipment and know-how to cast bronze rings, but even that was going to be too expensive. We take these parts prices from the manufacturer for granted. For as complex as these parts are, they are amazingly cheap. There is no way to make these parts for the same price as the manufacturer unless someone were to order several hundred or thousand of them at a time. Spider gears for the DSM trannies come to mind. A few of us got together to have a run of over 500 gears made. It still quoted out to cost more for those gears with a lot of 500 made than it was to buy the factory $169.00 kit for only a pair of them... There are some rings floating around that were made in China that look like they fit our trannies, but they grind or shift like crap. If you find someone that can do it for cheap, like in China, you get a cheap part that doesn't work. You have to pay when it comes to that stuff, and with a car like the 3S that is getting older and is acquiring more owners that are not willing to pay for the correct parts, you have more people less interested in making parts for them. Jack __________________ www.jackstransmissions.com EVO VIII, DSM, 3S tranny rebuilding. Last edited by JackM : 02-15-2008 at 06:58 PM.

02-17-2008, 12:36 PM	#26 (permalink)
1997GTX Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Newington, CT Trader Rating: (6)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? I'm still looking for a 2nd gear synchro and slider, as well as a 3rd gear slider if anyone knows where to get them. Thanks! --Adam __________________ 97 Black Grand Prix GTX Supercharged -- well modded ----------------------------------- 97 Black VR-4 -- Borla TT Cat-Back, 3SX DP & Cat, K&N FIPK, Greddy Type-S BOV and Adapter, ProBoost MBC, Cobalt Boost Gauge, Stealthify Blue Needle Glow Kit ----------------------------------- Project Underway: 92 VR-4 w/ new motor, dr-650r's, Stage 3 Heads, Spearco FMIC, Greddy E-Manage w/ Profec E01, W/M Injection, 720cc's, Carbon/Carbon clutch, etc ... Needs Tune ... FOR SALE FOR SALE ----------------------------------- 2002 Audi S4 - Just a chip =)

04-04-2008, 09:10 AM	#28 (permalink)
akotten Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Drives: '91 Dodge Stealth TT Trader Rating: (1)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? Hey guys, the parts I ordered from my dodge dealer turned out to be the right ones except for the synchros because they were the all brass version. I ordered the entire hub assembly for 3rd gear, 2 extra synchros, and a the 3rd gear itself for I think a little over $500. I just ordered a synchro from JackM to replace the one Dodge sent me. I was told by the dealer that there were only 2 of the gears left in the US which were located at two different dealerships, so they contacted the dealer for me and shipped it out. I guess I can say that I got pretty lucky. Alex

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04-07-2008, 01:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
1997GTX Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Newington, CT Trader Rating: (6)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? Nice, Alex! Have you had any luck finding a good 2nd gear synchro?

04-14-2008, 07:25 PM	#30 (permalink)
akotten Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Drives: '91 Dodge Stealth TT Trader Rating: (1)	Re: VR4 Synchros, who sells them?? Yeah I guess I was wrong....haha....my transmission shop told me last week the parts didn't fit.....So I'm gonna try and return them and now I need to find a new 3rd gear. I haven't looked for a 2nd Gear synchro.....so I guess I wouldn't know.