Transfer Case Officially Recalled

[fou]

Well for all of us with the 6 speeds conversion, we are screwed!!!
The Dodge dealer were I went, is ready to change the oil, change the seal, but will not change the T-case, as the can’t refer to the 6 speeds T-case for a 1992, the computer system won’t let them do it, the service manager called Dodge Canada and they said NO!

I’m trying a different approach, when I show up at the dealer with my recall paper they never check the serial # on my car and it’s a small dealer were they never work on Stealth.

So what I did, is call the wrecker where I got my 6 speeds part and ask them for the 1994 serial #. After I registered the 94 with Daimler Chrysler and now all I need to do is wait for the recall to come in for the 1994 Stealth TT.

I hope this works!!!

[cotmfk]

Originally posted by fou
Well for all of us with the 6 speeds conversion, we are screwed!!!
The Dodge dealer were I went, is ready to change the oil, change the seal, but will not change the T-case, as the can’t refer to the 6 speeds T-case for a 1992, the computer system won’t let them do it, the service manager called Dodge Canada and they said NO!

I’m trying a different approach, when I show up at the dealer with my recall paper they never check the serial # on my car and it’s a small dealer were they never work on Stealth.

So what I did, is call the wrecker where I got my 6 speeds part and ask them for the 1994 serial #. After I registered the 94 with Daimler Chrysler and now all I need to do is wait for the recall to come in for the 1994 Stealth TT.

I hope this works!!!

lol... extravagant! Good luck!

[JRC]

Originally posted by fou
Well for all of us with the 6 speeds conversion, we are screwed!!!
The Dodge dealer were I went, is ready to change the oil, change the seal, but will not change the T-case, as the can’t refer to the 6 speeds T-case for a 1992, the computer system won’t let them do it, the service manager called Dodge Canada and they said NO!

I’m trying a different approach, when I show up at the dealer with my recall paper they never check the serial # on my car and it’s a small dealer were they never work on Stealth.

So what I did, is call the wrecker where I got my 6 speeds part and ask them for the 1994 serial #. After I registered the 94 with Daimler Chrysler and now all I need to do is wait for the recall to come in for the 1994 Stealth TT.

I hope this works!!!

Why is it dealers always have to make problems where there isn't any. The recall is for the transfer case, am I right? The transfer case on a 6 speed is the same as the transfer case on a 5 speed, so tell them to just enter a 5 speed. I don't even understand why the transaxle # of speeds is even on the form. It is already known by the year except maybe late 93, but the VIN should reveal the transaxle. I could see if the transfer case caused damage to the transaxle and it also had to be replaced under warranty that they wouldn't replace it with a 6 speed, but the recall only includes the transaxle if there is damage directly related to a transfer case lockup and in this case that is not the issue.
Your idea probably won't work because the car you got the 6 speed out of probably has a wrecked title if you got it from a wrecker and it would show in their records as such and also be titled to the wrecker and a dead recall, not showing you as the rightful owner. You have to use your own VIN and tell them to just list it as a 5 speed because warranty would not cover the 6 speed conversion. Your 6 speed does have 5 speeds doesn't it?

[nomolos1]

I just got the call from Mits today. What a WONDERFUL day, today has turned out to be.They told me that they couldn't reimburse the money on the clutch, but everything else was okay. I told her about the clutch only havving 20-30 thousand miles on it, and one of the springs fell out, and the plate hade a crack in it. She called me back to tell me, that she would submit that to the engineers if I could find the receipt when I have the work done, and they would probably pay for that too. yyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! That almost puts the total to $4000.00. I feel so much better about my money pit.
By the way, All Atlanta peeps should get their Transmission-Xcase work done at Autostar in Stockbridge 770.506.0305. Armond Lemon (RacerX) is helping Randy.

[BCTURBO]

JRC,

The transfer case is not the same on the 5 speeds and 6 speeds. I am still not done arguing with my local dealer to get the recall done on my 92 with a 6-speed conversion.

[JRC]

Originally posted by BCTURBO
JRC,

The transfer case is not the same on the 5 speeds and 6 speeds. I am still not done arguing with my local dealer to get the recall done on my 92 with a 6-speed conversion.

What are the differences?

[BCTURBO]

I am not sure of all the differences. The 6-speed transfer cases are cast iron and they may have a different gear ratio. You can not bolt a 6-speed t-case to a 5-speed transmission and vice versa. You can go to Jeff's site for pictures:

http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd2.htm

[JRC]

Originally posted by BCTURBO
I am not sure of all the differences. The 6-speed transfer cases are cast iron and they may have a different gear ratio. You can not bolt a 6-speed t-case to a 5-speed transmission and vice versa. You can go to Jeff's site for pictures:

http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd2.htm

There is nothing in Jeff's site I don't already know, but thanks.
For the sake of arguement, my definition of being the same was not that they can be interchanged. They also made 5 speed cast iron transfer cases which he does not show.
The reason they can't be interchanged is a spline issue. I am talking basic design here. Both cases function exactly the same in their design and this after all is what we are talking about. A design flaw. Just as the spline was changed from an 18 spline to a 25 spline because of a design flaw, the seals have now become an issue which pertain to all years, interchangeability aside.
Both will lock up if run dry simply because there is a design flaw. If you have upgraded to a 6 speed it should not make one iota bit of difference because the recall is for both. What year car they are in should not make a difference.
Mitsubishi markets both and they hold liability on both for design flaws.
Just as Firestone must atone for their design flaw even when maybe 75% of their tread has gone by the wayside, Mitsubishi must hold responsibility for a design flaw that can cause death in certain situations. Just going bad is not the issue. Losing control of the car due to a design flaw is,, and the dealers are being stupid to think otherwise.
Mitsubishi has publically admited to the fact of a design flaw and that opens them up to a myriad of lawsuits if a transfer case locks up causing sever injury after they refuse to service it under a mandated recall.
Plain and simple, the dealers themselves have taken it upon themselves to be judge, jury and exicutioner,,, it seems,, in what I have been reading and making it way too complicated.
Some get checks and replacements, while others don't with the same case. This doesn't make sense. Seems more of a case where if the dealer has good contacts and knows the right people they can get more for you.
This is politics and should not enter into a recall. It should be spelled out in black and white and adhered to the same in every case no matter what dealer you go to for the service.

[BCTURBO]

Oh, I thought from your earlier post you were saying that they were interchangable. It seems like we are in agreement then, there is no reason they shouldn't perform the recall on my car. The problem is how to convince my dealer of this point of view. The service manager keeps telling me that if he tries to enter my VIN number into the computer (or do they just use paperwork?), then he can only get the 5-speed transfer case. I asked him if he could just get special permission from whoever reimburses them for the recall and he said it wouldn't work.

I called the Chrysler recall center and they said that since I "modified" my car that they did not have to do the recall. I think they are just looking for any loophole they can to save money.

[JRC]

Originally posted by BCTURBO
Oh, I thought from your earlier post you were saying that they were interchangable. It seems like we are in agreement then, there is no reason they shouldn't perform the recall on my car. The problem is how to convince my dealer of this point of view. The service manager keeps telling me that if he tries to enter my VIN number into the computer (or do they just use paperwork?), then he can only get the 5-speed transfer case. I asked him if he could just get special permission from whoever reimburses them for the recall and he said it wouldn't work.

I called the Chrysler recall center and they said that since I "modified" my car that they did not have to do the recall. I think they are just looking for any loophole they can to save money.

Exactly the point I am making. Does their recall include the 6 speed transfer cases? Yes! Is yours in fact a Mitsubishi transfer case in the recall? Yes! If they sold a 6 speed to someone who replaced a 6 speed would it still be covered? Yes! The recall is on the 6 speed transfer case as well, and you own one. Who really gives a flying fart what year car it is on? It is mated with a 6G72 same as it is from the factory, for crying out loud. If anything, mated with an engine that was rated with less HP. I dare say if your transfer case locked up and you wound up in the hospital due to the insuing accident and you sued, what do you think the courts would say? They would ask five questions is all.
1.Do you market the transfer case in question?
2.Was the accident directly related to a recall on that transfer case?
3. Did you refuse to warranty the recall on this vehicle?
4. Was this transfer case modified in any way to adapt to this vehicle which is of the same make but an earlier year.
5. Do you have exact replacements available for the original transaxle in question?
All other statements would revert right back to the original 5.
Little history here:
Fact: Mitsubishi does not replace the tranfer case on a 92 Mitsubishi with an original 18 spline case.
Fact: They no longer make 18 spline transfer cases, so in fact they would have to modify it themselves to honor the recall.
Fact: If they did replace it with a factory 18 spline it would be special production and was not available to you at the time of replacement. Only from Frank at Kormex, not them.
Fact: Mitsubishi, until recently, tried to monopolize the transaxle replacement at exhorbitant prices by not offering parts for repairs.
It is only with our determined efforts they are now offered. We, meaning the owners, gave them enough hassles over the years they wanted to finally quit hearing about it. It was not done by their own devotion to their customers.