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fk86 · 04-22-2008, 01:56 PM

I am currently getting my transmission rebuilt from Jack. He has been pretty helpful and understanding. My vr4 is currently at a shop here in houston and my transmission was shipped to jack. They had completed the rebuild, but when Jack tested it...they found out that reverse gear pops out under load...which had happened several times before...but now they have to take the transmission apart again and check it out, thus taking more time and explanation to the shop...but I rather go through that than having that one installed, reshipped..etc.. Better safe, than sorry. The shop is now charging me $15/day storage since it is taking longer now. But Jack was helpful and agreed to pay the storage fees. Good business ethics... I would recommend his shop. Update still coming...

Audiophobe · 04-22-2008, 02:54 PM

Frank called me today. My tranny is set for pickup tomorrow to go back to Kormex. Hopefully, mine will be rebuilt, shipped back, and I'll send the first one back. Hopefully it will all work out. I'll update also.

Bret Brinkmann · 04-24-2008, 01:50 PM

Glad to hear things are turning out pretty good for you guys. Glad to hear people having good results with Jack's.

Having done a ton of trannys and TCs and currently doing rebuilds at 3SX, I can say that Chris is correct about more parts being worn in these things. I don't think most members realize that. That is why I have always gone through every last part in a tranny to give it a thorough inspection. The last thing anybody wants is to be blamed for a bad VCU when all you did was replace the 2nd gear rings like the customer wanted. Too much liability for the shop and it's a HUGH disservice to the customer, so I won't do it. It's all or nothing. Yeah, it cost more to go through the whole thing, but it NEEDS to be done. Nearly every tranny that had a popped VCU, broken fork, or really torn up synchro ring or bearing needed a thorough cleaning to get all the crud out to prevent future failures.

Personally, I don't see why these things are so hard for some shops to rebuild. They aren't special, actually one of the easiest trannys I have ever been through. If you can't look at the dog teeth on reverse for these trannys and see that they are worn enough to possibly cause it to pop out of gear, then you probably can't do it for ANY tranny. It's not brain surgery, it's wrenchin'.

JackM · 04-24-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret Brinkmann

If you can't look at the dog teeth on reverse for these trannys and see that they are worn enough to possibly cause it to pop out of gear, then you probably can't do it for ANY tranny. It's not brain surgery, it's wrenchin'.

I don't know if you looked through my website or not, but I know what worn teeth look like. His didn't look worn at all. They looked to be in excellent condition yet when I tested the unit it popped out of gear. Our quality control down here is very good and we give every unit a very thorough visual mechanical inspection. We have yet to have a single 3S tranny fail, ever. I think what you said was pretty uncalled for...

Jack

Colt45_GTO · 04-24-2008, 11:45 PM

i think jack does a very fair and honest job! most of the time (and i myself am a custom to this) most work is carried out to a budget whereas not many folk have the coin to throw at a car and simply need the specified job doing to keep cost down. now tranny's aint cheap to rebuild as everyone knows so this is the crunch factor where budget is concerned.

to say a company thats been trading for years has no clue what they are doing is wrong! i would send my tranny to jack rather than kormex if i was in the states with no clue about cars.

keep up the good work jack pride in a job is everything

Audiophobe · 04-25-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Colt45_GTO

to say a company thats been trading for years has no clue what they are doing is wrong! i would send my tranny to jack rather than kormex if i was in the states with no clue about cars.

keep up the good work jack pride in a job is everything

I don't know why this turned into a Kormex vs Jack's tournament. I'm not sure that anyone really trashed Jack's (I know I haven't!) but they have been a bit defensive for some reason, because people seem to be very happy with them and for good reason: it's a great company!
I will speak for myself though (and since I started this thread I think I may!).
I had to pick between 2 companies that had good reps and asked for guidance from my fellow members here. Both Jack's and Kormex met with praise and, if you go back to posts #14-#16 or so, they even seem to compliment eachother! It was tough but........ I had to pick one. We'll see what the outcome is and I will follow up with the final resolution but I think that if there is s#*t being slung that it should stop here unless someone feels that they were screwed or have a legitimate gripe. As far as my tranny, I know s#*t happens and, rather when all is smooth, it's when there is a problem that a company truly earns it rep.

Colt45_GTO · 04-25-2008, 03:55 AM

i didnt bash kormex at all its just that i prefer to use a lesser name for repairs , if jacks didnt exist i'd gladly use kormex or somebody els

venetrex · 04-25-2008, 04:25 AM

Out of curiousity, what was the labor hit to install and remove your tranny, actually more importantly X2. I know it's a lot of wotk I just did mine twice. If you didn't replace your rear main. DO IT. Mine leaked a meek after changing my clutch. Don't make my mistake. But mines a 92 with 112,000. And I believe it did a lot of sitting in it's live time. All my rubber seals and hoses were hard and cracked.

Audiophobe · 04-25-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by venetrex

Out of curiousity, what was the labor hit to install and remove your tranny, actually more importantly X2. I know it's a lot of wotk I just did mine twice. If you didn't replace your rear main. DO IT. Mine leaked a meek after changing my clutch. Don't make my mistake. But mines a 92 with 112,000. And I believe it did a lot of sitting in it's live time. All my rubber seals and hoses were hard and cracked.

The labor to drop the tranny and replace it was $400 (plus the tranny fluid). Assuming all goes well with my tranny, I'll have to pay that again. It's not my mechanics problem that the tranny wasn't perfect and it's really not Kormex's responsibility to pay for the second swap, just to deliver a good tranny.

Bret Brinkmann · 04-26-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JackM

I don't know if you looked through my website or not, but I know what worn teeth look like. His didn't look worn at all. They looked to be in excellent condition yet when I tested the unit it popped out of gear. Our quality control down here is very good and we give every unit a very thorough visual mechanical inspection. We have yet to have a single 3S tranny fail, ever. I think what you said was pretty uncalled for...

Jack

Jack - I did not mean it to sound like a stab at you. I have heard nothing but good things about you and your shop. I actually misunderstood this post here.

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Originally Posted by fk86

I am currently getting my transmission rebuilt from Jack. He has been pretty helpful and understanding. My vr4 is currently at a shop here in houston and my transmission was shipped to jack. They had completed the rebuild, but when Jack tested it...they found out that reverse gear pops out under load...which had happened several times before...but now they have to take the transmission apart again and check it out, thus taking more time and explanation to the shop...but I rather go through that than having that one installed, reshipped..etc.. Better safe, than sorry. The shop is now charging me $15/day storage since it is taking longer now. But Jack was helpful and agreed to pay the storage fees. Good business ethics... I would recommend his shop. Update still coming...

The highlighted section confussed me. I thought fk86 was saying that the shop in Houston rebuilt his tranny and THEY, not you guys, still had problems with it and THEN he sent it to you like he should have in the first place. Now that I read the post more carefully I see that all that the Houston shop did was remove the tranny to be shipped to you guys. So my responce was actually reffering to some one who didn't even open the tranny up in the first place.

It was a stab at the Houston shop that I THOUGHT messed up a tranny rebuild, but not even they deserve such a comment because they never touched it. So I appologize to you and the Houston shop for the misunderstanding.

Actually, sinse you caught the problem before it got shipped out to the customer, I say that is top notch!

I don't have a sophiscated testing rig like you guys do but I always check my rebuilds as best I can before taking them off of the work bench. From my days at the dealerships, they always said verifying the repair is the single most important thing you can do. It is a sign of professionalism and thoroughness.

So what did you find wrong with reverse anyway? I had one tranny with a bad grind going into 3rd once. Everything looked good, the ring did not bottom out on the cone, the friction material was good, dogs good, ring and sleeve wasn't warped, rails good, synchro springs good. Evenchually I desided to replace the ring anyways, and all was good. That was the one and only time I ever had a situation like that on any tranny.

04-22-2008, 01:56 PM	#51 (permalink)
fk86 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Need Tranny rebuild/ 93 VR4- Experience with Jack's? I am currently getting my transmission rebuilt from Jack. He has been pretty helpful and understanding. My vr4 is currently at a shop here in houston and my transmission was shipped to jack. They had completed the rebuild, but when Jack tested it...they found out that reverse gear pops out under load...which had happened several times before...but now they have to take the transmission apart again and check it out, thus taking more time and explanation to the shop...but I rather go through that than having that one installed, reshipped..etc.. Better safe, than sorry. The shop is now charging me $15/day storage since it is taking longer now. But Jack was helpful and agreed to pay the storage fees. Good business ethics... I would recommend his shop. Update still coming...

04-22-2008, 02:54 PM	#52 (permalink)
Audiophobe Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CT Trader Rating: (4)	Re: Need Tranny rebuild/ 93 VR4- Experience with Jack's? Frank called me today. My tranny is set for pickup tomorrow to go back to Kormex. Hopefully, mine will be rebuilt, shipped back, and I'll send the first one back. Hopefully it will all work out. I'll update also. __________________ 93 VR4: 2006 Engine Rebuild/Port and Polished Heads, '99 Lifters, DR 500's, CFDS, TC Bracket, Custom Catback/DP w/precat elims, Unichip, EBC, 680cc injectors w/Denso/AEM fuel reg/Hotwired, H&R springs(-1")-new struts, SPEC 3/PLUS clutch w/Fidenza Flywheel(new), MAFT, Front/Rear strut bars, polished plenium and chrome engine dress, 18" chromies. Newer TC (recall but never had problem!) 60k tune with all new parts(redone during rebuild). 93 SL: DP/ 3sX Lightened pulley, K&N intake w/ SuperMac Cold wall. SS Grey!(Died 2/07 Gone but not forgotten)

04-24-2008, 01:50 PM	#53 (permalink)
Bret Brinkmann Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Charlotte NC Drives: Rear wheels only... Trader Rating: (4)	Re: Need Tranny rebuild/ 93 VR4- Experience with Jack's? Glad to hear things are turning out pretty good for you guys. Glad to hear people having good results with Jack's. Having done a ton of trannys and TCs and currently doing rebuilds at 3SX, I can say that Chris is correct about more parts being worn in these things. I don't think most members realize that. That is why I have always gone through every last part in a tranny to give it a thorough inspection. The last thing anybody wants is to be blamed for a bad VCU when all you did was replace the 2nd gear rings like the customer wanted. Too much liability for the shop and it's a HUGH disservice to the customer, so I won't do it. It's all or nothing. Yeah, it cost more to go through the whole thing, but it NEEDS to be done. Nearly every tranny that had a popped VCU, broken fork, or really torn up synchro ring or bearing needed a thorough cleaning to get all the crud out to prevent future failures. Personally, I don't see why these things are so hard for some shops to rebuild. They aren't special, actually one of the easiest trannys I have ever been through. If you can't look at the dog teeth on reverse for these trannys and see that they are worn enough to possibly cause it to pop out of gear, then you probably can't do it for ANY tranny. It's not brain surgery, it's wrenchin'. __________________ When asked what the best thing to come out of Italy is, most Italians will tell you Ferrari.... But if you ask me it was Super Mario Brothers. 250 RWHP If you want the exploded views of both 5 and 6 speeds or pics e-mail me at SavagTiger@AOL.com. 94 VR-4 Panama Green Tan Interior RPS II, gutted cats, flipped BPV, 3SX control arms, 3SX shift bushings, Red Line, Auto-Meter. Rebuilt TC, transaxle, steering rack, heads, and turbos. 360cc's blue printened with in 1%. New short block. RWD convertion and welded rear end.

04-24-2008, 11:45 PM	#55 (permalink)
Colt45_GTO GTO refurber Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: manchester uk Drives: like i stole it Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Need Tranny rebuild/ 93 VR4- Experience with Jack's? i think jack does a very fair and honest job! most of the time (and i myself am a custom to this) most work is carried out to a budget whereas not many folk have the coin to throw at a car and simply need the specified job doing to keep cost down. now tranny's aint cheap to rebuild as everyone knows so this is the crunch factor where budget is concerned. to say a company thats been trading for years has no clue what they are doing is wrong! i would send my tranny to jack rather than kormex if i was in the states with no clue about cars. keep up the good work jack pride in a job is everything __________________ Colt45_GTO Semper Fidelis

04-25-2008, 03:55 AM	#57 (permalink)
Colt45_GTO GTO refurber Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: manchester uk Drives: like i stole it Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Need Tranny rebuild/ 93 VR4- Experience with Jack's? i didnt bash kormex at all its just that i prefer to use a lesser name for repairs , if jacks didnt exist i'd gladly use kormex or somebody els

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04-25-2008, 04:25 AM	#58 (permalink)
venetrex Someone else's mistakes Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CT Drives: 1992 3000GT VR4 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Need Tranny rebuild/ 93 VR4- Experience with Jack's? Out of curiousity, what was the labor hit to install and remove your tranny, actually more importantly X2. I know it's a lot of wotk I just did mine twice. If you didn't replace your rear main. DO IT. Mine leaked a meek after changing my clutch. Don't make my mistake. But mines a 92 with 112,000. And I believe it did a lot of sitting in it's live time. All my rubber seals and hoses were hard and cracked. __________________ DR650R's, supra fuel pump hotwired and aem fuel pressure regulator with bob beck adapter, addicted performance front mount intercooler and piping, ceramin coated inside and out, ebay knockoff DN headers, cusom stillen downpipe, Borla catback, precision turbo 550cc injectors, RPS MAX series clutch, street disc, and RPS segmented aluminum flywheel, 3sx braided stainless turbo feed and return lines, 3sx braided clutch line, fidanza adjustable cam gears, arc2 fuel controller with ford MAS, greddy E-manage blue for fine tuning and timind control, Greddy profec E-01 for boost control, AEM widemand O2, arm-1 narrow band o2, autometer boost gauge, HKS ssqv with custom recirc adapter, 3sx fuel rail adapter.