Getrag 440/446 parts. - Page 95 - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

Boostaddict · 01-27-2008, 06:41 PM

This has already been discussed. The only way to compare actual shaft properties (other than software modeling) would be to destructively test one of each shaft. No one is going to destroy $1000 of product and pay another $1000 to have the testing done. Charpy, tensile, or any other mechanical test would not be relevant on a carburized part. A properly carburized alloy shaft will always out-perform a through-hardened alloy shaft, so I'll place my money on the NBT product...

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Originally Posted by AlmosN8kd

Even though they are different processes, you can still compare them. Has there been any destructive testing (Charpy V-notch test, Nil Ductility transition test, drop weight test, etc; yes, I know these are unlikely) done on the two materials to give a strength yeild? I know the corrosion resistant coating is a bonus but how much rusting do you really have on the splines of your stock output shafts? I know I have some small amount but it is minimal so I'm not sure the corrosion inhibiter is absolutely necessary. To be quite honest, I'm not really sure which to go with, the Mark Williams output shaft is more widely available (easy to find at Supercar) but then I've heard a lot of good things about NBT; price is a concern but I'd rather just go with the better of the two.

maddog · 01-27-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmosN8kd

I know the corrosion resistant coating is a bonus but how much rusting do you really have on the splines of your stock output shafts? I know I have some small amount but it is minimal so I'm not sure the corrosion inhibiter is absolutely necessary.

I dont know how much salting they do is WA but in Chicago, Detroit, and other places the salt does a number on the output shafts. NBT being from Detroit have first hand experience into why the research was done.

cbehnken · 01-27-2008, 07:07 PM

If you have a 25 spline I'd go with the northbend stuff just to support their research.

For us 18 spliners M.W. is/was our only choice.

AlmosN8kd · 01-27-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by maddog

I dont know how much salting they do is WA but in Chicago, Detroit, and other places the salt does a number on the output shafts. NBT being from Detroit have first hand experience into why the research was done.

My car is a NY car which has been exposed to salt for most of it's life. The underside of my car is fairly rusted as a result and despite it's life in the various states in which I've lived the output shaft doesn't have an appreciable amount of rust.

AlmosN8kd · 01-27-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cbehnken

If you have a 25 spline I'd go with the northbend stuff just to support their research.

For us 18 spliners M.W. is/was our only choice.

I have a 6 speed so I have some options.

AlmosN8kd · 01-27-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boostaddict

This has already been discussed. The only way to compare actual shaft properties (other than software modeling) would be to destructively test one of each shaft. No one is going to destroy $1000 of product and pay another $1000 to have the testing done. Charpy, tensile, or any other mechanical test would not be relevant on a carburized part. A properly carburized alloy shaft will always out-perform a through-hardened alloy shaft, so I'll place my money on the NBT product...

I guess I'm just not familiar with the carburized process to really understand. I have some experience with destructive testing and despite the fact that it is expensive it does prove which alloy/process is better. Anyhow, I'll take a better look at the NBT shaft; I just want to make sure I get the better piece is all. Out of curiousity, where does one buy a NBT output shaft? I'm pretty sure the 25 spline group buy is probably closed by now.

Theo_VR4 · 01-29-2008, 08:32 AM

Has anyone else gotten the end case input shaft bearing from applied?
They said they had the 57497 one and couldn't find a listing for the 6405C3 number. So I got the first one, it's the same size however mine has a beveled edge where it sits under that plate that bolts on top of it and the new one didn't. They took it back no problem but just wondering if anyone knows how to get the correct one?

coz · 02-17-2008, 12:09 PM

My first find =)... almost...
I google:d 040.8.0051.10 (1-2 synchronizer outer ring) and found that this getrag number is also in a transmission called F-28.. wich can be found in Opel Calibra Turbo 4x4, (vauxhall vectra)

Bret Brinkmann · 02-22-2008, 09:14 AM

Just edited the first post again. I included the new part suppliers mentioned previously and updated what each vendor supplies.

Theo VR4 - I know we have one of the OEM bearings brand new in stock at 3SX if you are having trouble locateing one. We have the alternitive number ordered but it has not come in yet. We currently have quite a few new and used parts in stock.

1997GTX · 02-22-2008, 10:08 AM

I know this isn't the best thread to post "what I need" information, but I'm desperately looking for a 2nd gear synchro and slider and 3rd gear slider for a 92 18-spline VR4 if anyone can help out.

Thanks!
--Adam

01-27-2008, 07:07 PM	#943 (permalink)
cbehnken Forest Gump Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cape Girardeau Mo Drives: 1992 Stealth TT Trader Rating: (42)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. If you have a 25 spline I'd go with the northbend stuff just to support their research. For us 18 spliners M.W. is/was our only choice. __________________ Power: DSM 13G/DR650 Combo, DSM 450 cc bluetops MAXED out, SAFC I, K&N, Ebay Downpipe, ATR Dual Catback, no cats, DN Y-Pipe, Polished Plenum and Valve Cover, HKS SSQV, HKS EVC 5 at 14.5PSI, Walbro 255 with AN Bulkhead Suspension: KYB GR-2 - Tein S-Techs, Crossdrilled/slotted rotors, 17" chromies, Nitto 555s Drivetrain: RPS Street Max, M.W. 300m O/S Etc: Smokinvr-4 Corner box, 10" Rockford Fosgate Punch sub, Eclipse Headunit Leatherseats.com Charcoal/Dove Grey Interior, 99 front end/lights/wing Maintenance New VSS, all 60K stuff, new 1st,2nd, 3rd syncro, trans seals, oil pump, rod and main bearings. JEDI MASTER SAFC NARROWBAND BASED TUNER, LORD OF THE DANCE ALSO

01-29-2008, 08:32 AM	#947 (permalink)
Theo_VR4 Drive it hard Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Trader Rating: (14)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. Has anyone else gotten the end case input shaft bearing from applied? They said they had the 57497 one and couldn't find a listing for the 6405C3 number. So I got the first one, it's the same size however mine has a beveled edge where it sits under that plate that bolts on top of it and the new one didn't. They took it back no problem but just wondering if anyone knows how to get the correct one?

02-17-2008, 12:09 PM	#948 (permalink)
coz Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sweden Drives: 3000GT Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. My first find =)... almost... I google:d 040.8.0051.10 (1-2 synchronizer outer ring) and found that this getrag number is also in a transmission called F-28.. wich can be found in Opel Calibra Turbo 4x4, (vauxhall vectra) __________________ 11,7 sec. with td04HL 16T 7cm2 (on e85) xx,x sec. with twin Holset HX-35 (still on e85)

02-22-2008, 09:14 AM	#949 (permalink)
Bret Brinkmann Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Charlotte NC Drives: Rear wheels only... Trader Rating: (4)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. Just edited the first post again. I included the new part suppliers mentioned previously and updated what each vendor supplies. Theo VR4 - I know we have one of the OEM bearings brand new in stock at 3SX if you are having trouble locateing one. We have the alternitive number ordered but it has not come in yet. We currently have quite a few new and used parts in stock. __________________ When asked what the best thing to come out of Italy is, most Italians will tell you Ferrari.... But if you ask me it was Super Mario Brothers. 250 RWHP If you want the exploded views of both 5 and 6 speeds or pics e-mail me at SavagTiger@AOL.com. 94 VR-4 Panama Green Tan Interior RPS II, gutted cats, flipped BPV, 3SX control arms, 3SX shift bushings, Red Line, Auto-Meter. Rebuilt TC, transaxle, steering rack, heads, and turbos. 360cc's blue printened with in 1%. New short block. RWD convertion and welded rear end.

02-22-2008, 10:08 AM	#950 (permalink)
1997GTX Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Newington, CT Trader Rating: (6)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. I know this isn't the best thread to post "what I need" information, but I'm desperately looking for a 2nd gear synchro and slider and 3rd gear slider for a 92 18-spline VR4 if anyone can help out. Thanks! --Adam __________________ 97 Black Grand Prix GTX Supercharged -- well modded ----------------------------------- 97 Black VR-4 -- Borla TT Cat-Back, 3SX DP & Cat, K&N FIPK, Greddy Type-S BOV and Adapter, ProBoost MBC, Cobalt Boost Gauge, Stealthify Blue Needle Glow Kit ----------------------------------- Project Underway: 92 VR-4 w/ new motor, dr-650r's, Stage 3 Heads, Spearco FMIC, Greddy E-Manage w/ Profec E01, W/M Injection, 720cc's, Carbon/Carbon clutch, etc ... Needs Tune ... FOR SALE FOR SALE ----------------------------------- 2002 Audi S4 - Just a chip =)

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