Getrag 440/446 parts. - Page 47 - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

RobBeck · 11-15-2004, 09:29 PM

For what? If you are ONLY changing Synchros this isnt needed. If you are changing bearings and races throughout the tranny then you should clearance. If you are doing the Jap Gear Mod, with the new pinion (the ring doesnt affect clearances) you should clearance just the pinion assy. I wasnt able to find any exact clearance to use the solder method for determining new shim size, but I did still separate all the cases and install my total stock pinion in the trans and then spin it by hand (with cases torqued), then separated them and installed the Jap pinion and torqued the cases down and spun it by hand... they both felt identical so I was content and moved on. You could also just check the clearance of your stock Pinion and then match the clearance to the Jap Pinion.

Gatecrasher is probably the only one that can get these specs with his manual, which needs to get transalated.

Rob

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Originally Posted by TypicalStateGuy

ok, my mechanic buddy that does a lot of DSM trannies said he's ready to tackle my tranny but he needs some info first. He says he needs shim stack and clearance information. Anybody help me out?

DocEBrown · 11-15-2004, 10:31 PM

Is the manual in Japanese? If so where can I get one of them? My friend is very fluent in Japanese. Same friend that brought back my two synchro assemblies from Japan. Also, I know Gategrasher has a wealth of info, and if there needs to be a mirror site up and running with the same info he lists, I would be more than willing to do it. Unless Jeff at 316 has already done this.

RobBeck · 11-15-2004, 10:37 PM

Read his new thread:
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread....6&page=1&pp=10

I8A4RE · 11-16-2004, 10:23 PM

A/V dude · 11-19-2004, 01:04 PM

Can someone explain to me how the heck part C16 comes off the shaft? I have the snap ring off, but there is only 1/16" of space to set the press blocks. (IE, plates only grabbing teeth) It's pressed on supertight, and i'm afraid the teeth will break before the gear moves.

Call me if you have some insight 952-240-3579
Thanks

Bret Brinkmann · 11-19-2004, 03:49 PM

That is wonderful news Gate. Thank you for all your time and effort you are putting into this plateform.

I have found it nessisary to replace the steel rings in some instances not only because they break, but also because the brass/bronze friction ring can cut groves into the rings, it can deposit friction material on the rings, the outer ring has dog teeth on the outside edge that I have seen get worn, and once I saw an outer ring that have impressions on it from getting lop sided and the dog teeth on the collar bit into it. Also, Jap version of CAPS will only list the triple set of rings together. That means you HAVE to buy them all at once. I believe there is a reason for that and that is why I always recommend all three rings be replaced during a rebuild. That is assuming my customers wanted the 12 month unlimited mileage warrenty I offer. (NOTE: I am not taking any new customers at this time but I will help any out with there cars.)

A/V dude - Try putting the bearing splitter under the next gear down and press then both off at once. That gear giving you trouble is the driving gear for reverse. It is a .005 " press fit last I measured.

That is why I recommend a 20 ton press not a 12 ton. It took me 15 tons to press one off once. I'll call you in a bit.

A/V dude · 11-19-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret Brinkmann

It took me 15 tons to press one off once. I'll call you in a bit.

Holy crap, i have a 20 ton but if it fails i'm dead......

......thanks for the call.

vr4_rider · 11-21-2004, 10:52 AM

Hey, Bret. I read somewhere that TRE (or was it CRS) that sold STEEL synchronizers (or rings)?

I would rather have the steel pieces for second gear instead of brass.

I wouldn't mind taking brass for the other gears.

Thanks,
Trung

Jeff Lucius · 11-21-2004, 11:00 AM

All factory synchronizers, except reverse, for the W5MG1 are steel. They are not brass. Should be similar for the W6MG1 since 1-2 synchros are identical for both units.

See: http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd4.htm

aerOvr-4gto3k · 11-21-2004, 11:04 AM

As far as these bearing clearances is it info that anyone would like to share? I am going to have to put a few new bearings/races in (not sure which ones yet) and the clearances i didnt happen to think about. This is on a 6-speed BTW.
Chris

11-15-2004, 10:31 PM	#462 (permalink)
DocEBrown Time traveler Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Drives: The 1st of the Last Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. Is the manual in Japanese? If so where can I get one of them? My friend is very fluent in Japanese. Same friend that brought back my two synchro assemblies from Japan. Also, I know Gategrasher has a wealth of info, and if there needs to be a mirror site up and running with the same info he lists, I would be more than willing to do it. Unless Jeff at 316 has already done this.

11-15-2004, 10:37 PM	#463 (permalink)
RobBeck POLYCHRONOPOULOS Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Drives: On 1 Wheel Trader Rating: (228)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. Read his new thread: http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread....6&page=1&pp=10

11-16-2004, 10:23 PM	#464 (permalink)
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11-19-2004, 01:04 PM	#465 (permalink)
A/V dude 3/S Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Under a 3/s Drives: 90 Buick Century Trader Rating: (8)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. Can someone explain to me how the heck part C16 comes off the shaft? I have the snap ring off, but there is only 1/16" of space to set the press blocks. (IE, plates only grabbing teeth) It's pressed on supertight, and i'm afraid the teeth will break before the gear moves. Call me if you have some insight 952-240-3579 Thanks __________________

11-19-2004, 03:49 PM	#466 (permalink)
Bret Brinkmann Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Charlotte NC Drives: Rear wheels only... Trader Rating: (4)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. That is wonderful news Gate. Thank you for all your time and effort you are putting into this plateform. I have found it nessisary to replace the steel rings in some instances not only because they break, but also because the brass/bronze friction ring can cut groves into the rings, it can deposit friction material on the rings, the outer ring has dog teeth on the outside edge that I have seen get worn, and once I saw an outer ring that have impressions on it from getting lop sided and the dog teeth on the collar bit into it. Also, Jap version of CAPS will only list the triple set of rings together. That means you HAVE to buy them all at once. I believe there is a reason for that and that is why I always recommend all three rings be replaced during a rebuild. That is assuming my customers wanted the 12 month unlimited mileage warrenty I offer. (NOTE: I am not taking any new customers at this time but I will help any out with there cars.) A/V dude - Try putting the bearing splitter under the next gear down and press then both off at once. That gear giving you trouble is the driving gear for reverse. It is a .005 " press fit last I measured. That is why I recommend a 20 ton press not a 12 ton. It took me 15 tons to press one off once. I'll call you in a bit. __________________ 250 RWHP If you want the exploded views of both 5 and 6 speeds or pics e-mail me at SavagTiger@AOL.com. 94 VR-4 Panama Green Tan Interior RPS II, gutted cats, flipped BPV, 3SX control arms, 3SX shift bushings, Red Line, Auto-Meter. Rebuilt TC, transaxle, steering rack, heads, and turbos. 360cc's blue printened with in 1%. New short block. RWD convertion and welded rear end.

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11-21-2004, 10:52 AM	#468 (permalink)
vr4_rider USMC Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Iowa Drives: 3/S Trader Rating: (12)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. Hey, Bret. I read somewhere that TRE (or was it CRS) that sold STEEL synchronizers (or rings)? I would rather have the steel pieces for second gear instead of brass. I wouldn't mind taking brass for the other gears. Thanks, Trung

11-21-2004, 11:00 AM	#469 (permalink)
Jeff Lucius Senior Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Colorado, USA Drives: 1992 Stealth R/T TT Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. All factory synchronizers, except reverse, for the W5MG1 are steel. They are not brass. Should be similar for the W6MG1 since 1-2 synchros are identical for both units. See: http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd4.htm __________________ Visit http://stealth316.com/

11-21-2004, 11:04 AM	#470 (permalink)
aerOvr-4gto3k b@$tard guy! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: FT.W. Drives: on one wheel Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Getrag 440/446 parts. As far as these bearing clearances is it info that anyone would like to share? I am going to have to put a few new bearings/races in (not sure which ones yet) and the clearances i didnt happen to think about. This is on a 6-speed BTW. Chris __________________ _______ -1992 mitsubishi 3000gt vr4 - sandstone grey just want to throw out a thanks to eveyrone that helped make up a part of the autocross event, you all did great! 1992 mitsu. 3000gt vr4 santsone on sandstone/grey - aka "the dirty wh0re" 1999 chevy silverado z71 ext. cab - red - "chevy" 2006 yamaha roadstar midnight warrior - "black betty" 1985 nissan 300zx GLL - "b1tchin' betty" needs some attention.. any takers? -wouldnt you know, every one of them should eventually have a turbo