Getrag 440/446 parts.

[iceeagle2102]

I wouldn't worry about howard trying to price gouge us. i've been ordering parts from them for well over the past month and the last order i ordered a water pump and with out me even saying anything he changed the price on it to a lower actual price which saved me around 40 bucks. i didn't even know it was wrong until he changed it.

and i do agree with gatecrasher on part prices i mean if you are gonna compain about a syncro costing 50 instead of 30.. i think thats a little short minding considering you are going to be paying 2000 or so to get it rebuilt.

Grant

[Theo_VR4]

Speaking of bearings, check out IM001948 in my photo album... lol
http://photos.yahoo.com/theo270@ameritech.net

The bearing above first I bought said SKF, Germany, and Fag on it. The other two I replaced (bottom input shaft and the one opposite of first) both said Germany and Fag on it and they all had numbers. What is the "Fag" suppost to mean anyway?

Also Rob, I didn't think about it but your's was for a 6-speed and the ones I ordered were for a 5-speed. That may explain a little.

[Gatecrasher]

FAG is a German component manufacturer. I think they've got an office around here somewhere.

I've seen some Timken bearings on my car. I think it was the rear diff. I swear I had seen a few on my trans. In any case, I'm pretty sure Frank Martin said that you could use any high-quality generic metric bearing as a replacement. I'll email him and see what he says. Getrag would have almost had to use off the shelf parts to keep costs down.

[RobBeck]

Listen this was not about starting an argument, or about agreeing with people who are all basically saying the same thing. What it was about is that once someone gets ahold of parts, they have a monopoly.. and we are opened up to be price gouged like a mother f*cker. Is that too hard to understand? I was just saying, that I HOPE that WHOEVER works this out for us doesnt take advantage of us.... and gives a comparable price to what we have been accustomed to. If it does turn out to be Howard, then great because I feel too by his post that he will be fair with the situation. If there is a surcharge, given the situation, I have no problems.... provided the final price is still respectable. What I dont want to see is prices that USED to be given by CRS multiply x2 or more because we have not a choice to get elsewhere. If it comes to that, I will not bitch... well maybe once... but after that the car goes up for sale. It is not worth having a car that costs more to rebuild then what the car could sell for in my eyes.

I guess first off we need to find out if we can even get the parts worked out, and then we can cross this monetary bridge.

Geez,
Rob

Originally Posted by iceeagle2102

and i do agree with gatecrasher on part prices i mean if you are gonna compain about a syncro costing 50 instead of 30.. i think thats a little short minding considering you are going to be paying 2000 or so to get it rebuilt.

Grant

[devilmanVISA]

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

FAG is a German component manufacturer. I think they've got an office around here somewhere.

"The FAG man eh. Well it seems Freud was right."

[Bret Brinkmann]

Originally Posted by slovr4

would you happen to know the part # of the input shaft bearing. C.R.S. sent me the 6 speed exploded view but i want to know the # from someone who ordered it allready.

I believe it is B02 for both 440 and 446. When you order the part Gloria will verify what part it is.

Speaking of Gloria, she sent me an e-mail stating that the inner blocker ring is "not available at all" and a couple other parts were "not in stock".

As for the bearings, ALL the manufacturers of bearings use the same PN for the same dimention bearing. The only difference in the PN will be the first couple or last couple characters which represents the manufacturer. I did some cross refferencing like this this week on a very old tie rod end. So needless to say, I not worried about the bearings or the seals. We can get those at Auto Zone and the dealership. I AM worried about every thing else though.

A lot of the parts on these things hav PNs on them. I will start making a list of the PNs I see. So far I have PNs for a couple synchro rings and the VCU. I doubt I can get any more with out having some one who deals in part (Getrag or CRS maybe) give them to me out right.

Speaking of Getrag, what happened to that guy with the two buddies who worked at Getrag? Still waiting on a report from his friends? I haven't heard back from the MMSA guy yet. I'll keep you all up dated every couple days.

Priceing is a very big concern for me. That is why I will keep the two companies I have my eye on for being our supplier to my self for now.

[Mentor Mitsu]

Originally Posted by RobBeck

Listen this was not about starting an argument, or about agreeing with people who are all basically saying the same thing. What it was about is that once someone gets ahold of parts, they have a monopoly.. and we are opened up to be price gouged like a mother f*cker. Is that too hard to understand? I was just saying, that I HOPE that WHOEVER works this out for us doesnt take advantage of us.... and gives a comparable price to what we have been accustomed to. If it does turn out to be Howard, then great because I feel too by his post that he will be fair with the situation. If there is a surcharge, given the situation, I have no problems.... provided the final price is still respectable. What I dont want to see is prices that USED to be given by CRS multiply x2 or more because we have not a choice to get elsewhere. If it comes to that, I will not bitch... well maybe once... but after that the car goes up for sale. It is not worth having a car that costs more to rebuild then what the car could sell for in my eyes.

I guess first off we need to find out if we can even get the parts worked out, and then we can cross this monetary bridge.

Geez,
Rob

Rob,

I have one question.
Why would it be a BAD idea for me to price Gouge in this situation ?
I already stated that I sell @ cost plus 20% on most parts (I still consider these most) thats only 10% more than a Mitsubishi employee pays.

Let me count the reasons:

1) IPO noted in one of my posts in the General section thatQuote) He (me) appears to be an enthusiast which goes a long way in my books.
IPO is totally correct the 3K/Stealth VR4 is the only Mitsu that I have any history with (though my fast car background extends back to birth- My Dad raced a 427 Corvair Funnycar and I remember the feel,sound and smell when he fired it up once at our home when I was a toddler-we lived in a development that included a Country Club. Needless to say other members were kinda happy when we left.). That VR4 is a 93 Stealth TT-RT bought new as a gift for my favorite ex-girlfriend.
Mod 1- Direct Port NOS Pro Fogger/used(modified from an SBC)- This was added after many miles and finally encouraged a bit of a rebuild after a leakdown test.
Mod Package 2I didn't do the work just helped with the logic & plan as she won't let me touch it with a wrench- I have a tendency to explore .)
Reman engine with all coatings and cryo treatments as needed & pin the rodbearings.
Custom Ground Cams.
Large Intercoolers.
Eng. Oil Cooler
Oversize Turbo's- (Low end response not to be considered) with req. upgrades
Custom Exhaust
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel-Built To Fly
H.D. Clutch
NOS System re-installed
Result: Excellant but factory ECU hates the upgrades even with tuning.

Mod Pack3:Checked out F.A.S.T. FMS and decided to go with Motec as it had more time in use.
Progressive Nitrous Controller-set for Low spray just off idle & increases after 2sec.
Liquid C02 fuel bar & intercooler spray bars.
Still no cage.
Result: Myself in passenger seat , Cheryl driving & 2 others in back; Wasted a Diablo, also the only car to flat out Maul my Trans Am on the street
While basic ideas wer mine credit goes to my friend Tonya Merrick(Masters in Aerospace Eng./her car is faster) and Tony Sciarettelli-Bach. Mech.Eng(or something close I have a hard time with his last name) for actually making it happen.

2)I'm a great guy-usually.

3)I hope to be able to supply more than just Getrag parts. If I abuse everyone they will just buy what they can only get from me and nothing else(I would do the same).

4) My Trans Am can't even think of Snow and while my POS Ranger does better a VR4 will get through ok if careful-(reading the board reminds me of how much I would like to get one-if I do then I'm in the same boat as you.)

5)I hope to be the first place you go to when you need parts.

6) I'm in the top 5% of parts depts. in the U.S. which might impress some but not me...As a "Dealership" we finished 1st in Dec. & 2nd in March. 2nd place or last it all sucks unless you win.
As someone on your board stated in his sig: Those that finish 2nd go on about giving there best but those that finish 1st go home & F*&#@ the Prom Queen.- I miss my prom queen!

7) Its bad business and would alienate potentially good customers.

8)My A/M(Hot Rod Paradise,Nationwise,Advance Auto Parts,Home Depot) background is mostly DIYers-I prefer them as a rule. I have more fun and customers get someone that gives a damn.

Thanks'
Howard

[RobBeck]

Woah man I wasnt really talking about YOU in particular. I was really generally speaking of anyone else who would happen to get the connection.... that is a big fear of mine (If I do happen to bust my trans up now and then I dont want to have to worry!). If you get parts and charge as you illustrated no probs, 20% over cost seems to sound VERY fair. Like was said before I am really ok paying extra for the parts (they are rare as f#ck), just not excessively. I anxiously await advertised pricing for the components (if anything works out ).

Rob

PS. You do sound like a really great guy. Good luck on the Getrag parts, we are all pulling for ya

Originally Posted by Mentor Mitsu

Rob,

I have one question.
Why would it be a BAD idea for me to price Gouge in this situation ?
I already stated that I sell @ cost plus 20% on most parts (I still consider these most) thats only 10% more than a Mitsubishi employee pays.

[ifithas2be]

I dont know if its the fact that im a NYer, but whats the bottom line?

If CRS & KORMEX doesnt wanna supply us with parts then what are we to do? Sure there is a market for this stuff, but its been my experience that alot of people on 3SI dont appreciate the value of the vendor/retailer. As soon as someone makes a part / mod for our cars what happens; ill tell you:

1. Consumers on the board dont wanna pay a fair price, but rather start a group buy.

2. Then theres others that want to know the chemical composition and want copies of engineering schematics.

3. Or just haggle the retailer/tuner/vendor into submission.

This is the problem I think. Me personally I dont mind paying a fair price or maybe a lil more for a hard to find part. But shops dont want to support our cars because theres just not enough of our cars to make a decent profit. The problem is that the ratio of passionate owners to cheap morons is to great. Vendors / shops / tuners have to make a living.

I think what we need to focus on here is how are we going to get these parts now as opposed to who will start a business. I have a relative in Japan that is into the import scene (domestic scene for him i guess) its a long shot but ill try to get a hold of him and see what he could do. Im sure we're gonna have to pay top dollar for parts and a lil extra for his trouble....when these parts should be readily available from mitsubishi, but what else are we to do?

[RobBeck]

How about we find out who can get us the parts NOW and at what cost? Different people may go thru different channels and hence buy at different costs... so lets just see who has the most fair and reliable connections. I say if anyone thinks they have a chance... then explore it. Sounds like Mentor Mits is gonna have us covered tho

Rob

Originally Posted by ifithas2be

I think what we need to focus on here is how are we going to get these parts now as opposed to who will start a business.