Getrag 440/446 parts.

[xwire]

Originally Posted by Bret Brinkmann

An individual from Getrag refered me to some one at Mistubishi Motor Sales of America. I have sent that person an e-mail and left a voice mail message concerning parts suplliers and how to become a parts supplier. I'll let every one know what happens as soon as I hear back from them.

It has been my experience that the input shaft bearings are relitively long lasting, 100K+ miles is not unusual. I have only heard of one or two that have leaked. I haven't heard of any that have pitted. (Unlike the transmission in my old C1500.) The rollor tappered bearings on the ends of the shafts also last a relitively long time. I hear of more people damageing them through improper disassembly rather than an actual failure. I have seen several failures but only one was NOT due to a fluid level concern. (They didn't have enough fluid and ran dry basically.) The input bearing does look very similar to other input bearings. I'd be surprised if it wasn't used on at least one other model.

Some one could just call a Porsche dealer and talk to a tech. I bet they would be able to tell us what model the Getrags were in those trannys. Speaking of which, if createing a parts supllier does not work then I will attempt to find some sort of parts interchangeability between Getrag models with "servicable" transmissions/transaxles.

having part numbers cross reffrenced with one of my porsche buddies as we speak will have more info tomorrow

[RobBeck]

Xwire,
This is the response I was looking for, someone willing to confirm or deny the rumor... and appears to have the means to do it. If it isnt true, then no biggie right back where we where.... but if it is true... wouldnt that be a big F#ckin stormy cloud out from over our head.

Keep us posted bro,
Rob

Originally Posted by xwire

having part numbers cross reffrenced with one of my porsche buddies as we speak will have more info tomorrow

[Gatecrasher]

My only worry is that Porsche is going to have their own parts numbers that are totally unlike any Mitsubishi part number. The only way to get a solid answer to something like this is to get the internal Getrag part numbers, and as of yet, I haven't seen anything like that.

[SkortchGT]

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

My only worry is that Porsche is going to have their own parts numbers that are totally unlike any Mitsubishi part number. The only way to get a solid answer to something like this is to get the internal Getrag part numbers, and as of yet, I haven't seen anything like that.

Yea thats what I want to know, what the Getrag part numbers are.

[slovr4]

Originally Posted by Bret Brinkmann

CRS still does remans for Mitsu. I don't know if they deal witht he general public in such matters. I'm still waiting for a responce from Getrag. I called thema while ago and again today. They are hard to get a hold of. Unless the input shaft bearing/seal is leaking I wouldn't worry about it. They are usually pretty long lasting.

would you happen to know the part # of the input shaft bearing. C.R.S. sent me the 6 speed exploded view but i want to know the # from someone who ordered it allready.

[xwire]

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

My only worry is that Porsche is going to have their own parts numbers that are totally unlike any Mitsubishi part number. The only way to get a solid answer to something like this is to get the internal Getrag part numbers, and as of yet, I haven't seen anything like that.

yea that is the problem that I am running into their part numbers are totally different, I need the getrag numbers to run through them, or someone to contact at getrag to get the numbers fr4om myself

[turbojj]

Originally Posted by RobBeck

I think that the input shaft bearing could NOT long lasting... especially with our cars. I have personally changed one of them in a DSM... with about 130k miles on it (I still have it if you want pics). It is thrashed and in a daily driven economy car. The problem with it is that the snout of the shaft does not ride in the rear of the crankshaft (maybe less important with transverse mounted engines ), and without that there is no real support for the input shaft aside for that bearing... and I bet you could imagine the forces that go thru that. Not that I would arbitrarily replace it, but I definitely would check it and not assume to be ok, even if there is little to no leaking from the seal.

Gatecrasher I would think it is just a common bearing, but seeing since it is Getrag who knows.

I spoke with TurboJJ today on the phone, talking about this issue... and he said that he HEARD that our trans has the same guts as the 911 6 speed Turbo... anyone know if thats true or how to confirm or deny it?

Rob

thanks Rob... what I heard ... was that Mitsubishi contracted Getrag to supply their 5 speed and later, 6 speed transmissions, for the GTO & (VR4s), because... Getrag had a good track record of longevity and success, with the 911 turbo 6 speed, the engine of which, is of a similar displacement....and its power and torque on a par with our 6G72 engine when moderately modified. What I suspect, is that Getrag relied on what was proven to work, and adapted the primary internals to fit the necessary case, mating the 6G72 block. Due to significant weight differences, and other anomalies...it is very likely this may be just pie in the sky...at the very least, actual gear ratios are probably different. But...critical dimensions...such as shaft, gear, and bearing specifications, seem to me to be very likely interchangeable. I highly doubt Getrag designed a 1 off ... special transmission, for the scale of production of the GTO. More likely...they adapted what had already been successfully utilized by Porsche (again under contract)...for the needs of this contract. Unfortunately...I'm afraid the only way to truly verify this theory, (other than obtain actual Getrag part numbers for each of these models)...is to do an actual measurement comparison of the transmissions internals. I'm sure ther is no practical way to cross reference Mitsu vs. Porsche, or Getrag part numbers...
turbojj

[SkortchGT]

Anyone have a Porshe/Getrag tranny lying around they can take apart?
Someone should go to one of the Porshe boards and ask around for these Getrag part#s, or if there is any resource they may have to obtain these.

[RobBeck]

This is what I was thinking, and maybe all put in some $$ to buy a cheap junk one and send it over to Brett to see if they are close or not.

Rob

Originally Posted by SkortchGT

Anyone have a Porshe/Getrag tranny lying around they can take apart?
Someone should go to one of the Porshe boards and ask around for these Getrag part#s, or if there is any resource they may have to obtain these.

[Mentor Mitsu]

I just wanted to let you know that iceeagle21 contacted me and asked if I would give it a shot also.
The attached email copy is just to advise as to the path I'm taking and also questions and concerns that I have.

Also someone might want to get started on a complete List of parts for the 5 & 6 speed as I've been told by my source that I can get the syncros from Gatecrashers post. Maybe Gatecrasher, Heikki, Bret Brinkman or anyone that can might want to put this together with a Minumum List and also a All Out List
I gave a handful of #s and all came back as available by VERY special order.
I'm working on delivery and price info now as the parts have to come in from Japan.

Thanks,
Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: Mentor Mitsubishi Parts Department
To: Grant Reuter
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:51 PM
Subject: Fw: 3000GT-Stealth International Message Center - Getrag 440-446 parts.



----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Bartlett
To: Mentor Mitsubishi Parts Department
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: 3000GT-Stealth International Message Center - Getrag 440-446 parts.


Grant,

I actually was already working on this and we have calls out to MMSA Corporate and I'm going to call CRS.
I'm starting with the numbers provided by Gatecrasher for the syncros.
If I can order these by hook or crook then I should be able to get the other items as well.
One problem I can forsee is that all of the Getrag parts are listed as obsolete so I would not be allowed to return anything that I order.
So I would have to have definate orders in advance - as in prepaid.

One things a plus as we order parts for engines that are not even available in the US (parts aren't even recognized) for a customer that devolops fuel additives. They take some time to get here but they do arrive. So I can't see why we can't get Getrag parts as well.

How is Gatecrasher getting the part numbers with CAPS?
I can take these #s and do a reverse lookup to get descriptions and Model codes: Z15A & Z16A.
But when we click on a description it comes up with message of: Component Parts For This Manual Transmission Are Not Serviced.
Any ideas? Is he using an older version of CAPS?
For at least 4 years we have been told that the Getrag is to complex for our Techs to work on and thats why all trans repairs were to be handled by CSI. Therfore I'm locked out of looking these parts up at the moment(grrr) until I find a work around.

Also if my syncro request are a go I would then need to work with someone to get a complete list of what parts are wanted.
Do these individually if possible or put together various packages depending upon the repair undertaken.

Take a look at the original time that I emailed this from my home pc to work.
I went through the entire AWD thread and General thread.
3SIs site is really great and I've picked up a lot of ideas that will work on all cars.
Plus I was very impressed with the amount and quality of the teamwork, goodwill, and general comraderie that I found there.
Wish LS1 Tech.com was more like that but they seam to prefer to bash everything non GM which is a real shame cuz they have some very talented people as well (oh well).

Lets just hope we get some good news.
Though I will try other avenues if my normal channels don't pan out.

Thanks,
Howard
BTW-I appreciate the Promotion but I'm not the parts manager, though I do run the website.
I probably would only manage again if I went back to the aftermarket and had hi-performance products available again.



Getrag 440/446 parts.