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sleeper3000 · 09-03-2007, 04:29 AM

ok another newb question. if i unplug the front o2 sensor that would make the check engine light come on right? if so then the car is fine. but i needed a spot to put the wideband o2 sensor in since the downpipe does not have one and the sensor did not come with a fitting to be welded on the exhaust downpipe. so i unplugged the front o2 sensor and put the wideband one in there so i could see what was going on and send it to the emanage. so if the check engine light came on because of the o2 sensor being unplugged then the car is fine. but if that wouldnt cause it to come on then somthing is messing up in my car.

and as for the data logs i will be making them tuesday. and i'll post them tuesday also. and i have one more question about boost controllers. like i need to find out how much psi i'm running exactly, but the controller only reads bars. and charts or info on how much boost is at 1.00 bar i can do the math to find out the rest. but running boost at .98 bar should not hurt the car right? since i believe at that rate its about 14.5 - 15 psi? plz dont tell me its higher then that. and when do our cars start to see knock?

BlackStealth · 09-03-2007, 05:08 AM

An unplugged narrowband o2 sensor won't immediately give a CEL error, instead you may have to drive 120 miles or so before it appears.

I ran 1 bar (~14.5psi) of boost on my stock car for about 10 years without any problems. Knock would generally only show up in low rpms if I hit WOT in 4th or 5th gear.

badass3000 · 09-03-2007, 09:35 AM

On first gens, pulling the O2's wont cause a CEL.
Now pulling one might cause the ECU to stay in open loop, where it will ignore the other sensor. Basicly your ECU wont be retuning itself.
I havent had O2 sensors for awhile just so I could dothe tunning and not the ECU.

sleeper3000 · 09-04-2007, 03:19 PM

well like blackstealth said. pulling the o2 wont give a cel right away but it did come on. when i plugged it back up and reset the ecu it went away and has not come back. then i unplugged it and went for a drive about 100 miles. 50 miles away and 50 miles back the check engine light came back on. so it is the o2 sensor. and dont worry blackstealth i'll get you the data logs. i still gotta hook it all back up. and get my friends laptop. for some reason mine doesnt want to work it keeps saying its connected but then cant understand the ecu. but when i use my friends it works fine. i think its the usb ports ver. 1 or 2 dunno which one it likes.

sleeper3000 · 09-04-2007, 06:31 PM

well i think i'm done trying to use the emanage ultimate. every time i have it hooked up the car does not like to run higher then 4500 rpm and misfires. no idea what it could be at all. cant even data log still cause it cant go higher then 35% throttle or load, then it misfires and gets worse. i know other people have had the same problem. and i even wired it down to stage 2.5 that should have made it so the stock ecu would controll the injectors and pretty much let it run stock. but the boomslang harness doesnt let somthing right completely stock. dunno if its a lag between injectors and airflow metter sensors or what. but im gonna give up on the emanage ultimate. i would have loved to go speed density. i think i'm gonna have to go with the dejon set up. with the maf translator or somthing. unless someone near elkton md 21921 would be able to tune the car or find out why it only messes up when the emanage is hooked up. otherwise i'm gonna sell the emanage and wire harness. really wouldnt like to but looks like i'm gonna have to. and just buy a lil fuel controller or tune with the dejon maf translator. sorry blackstealth but it just wouldnt run right. no idea why. its all stock. didnt change anything. the only thing i changed was in the settings i changed it to add fuel only and changed the jumpers you told me before. and cross the wires over the harness instead of going to the emanage and cutting them off from the stock ecu. so i'm stomped. i shouldnt have to add fuel at the higher rpms because from what i saw the car leaned out when it misfired, so the only reason it would do that is if the airflow meter map was not working right. or the injector map. i dunno. i need someone that knows what to do to fix it. with the stock ecu and boost controller i have on it. it will go to 17psi easy. but i dont run it that high. only did that once. and havnt done it again cuz i dont have a knock monitor or anything. i bought the datalogger for obd1 and should be in soon. so again if anyone is near elkton md 21921 and knows how to tune, with the emanage ultimate. i will drive all the way or half way to meet you. i would really like to keep the ultimate but its just causeing way to many problems for no reason. and if i cant get anyone to tune it then i'll be selling the ultimate and wire harness. for 600. its the boomslang harness retail 200 but i cut the wires but that can easily be fixed back to stage 3. and the ultimate emanage retail 500 only used it 3 times. and only for 2 hours each time. and i also have the greddy injector adapter thats going for free. dunno what shipping is going to be cuz i dont know where or who wants it. but for all the parts its gonna be 600.

badass3000 · 09-04-2007, 07:39 PM

why not try stage 1 first?

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Originally Posted by sleeper3000

...i also have the greddy injector adapter thats going for free...

Ill take that if its free

sleeper3000 · 09-04-2007, 07:50 PM

lol well wanted the emanage so i could controll fuel,air,timing. thats why i got stage 3. well in doing so this caused the check engine light to come on for one. (cuz of the cut injector lines) and two the car couldnt even go past 35% throttle without misfiring. and when it hits 4000 rpms without the load on it. it misfires. and from what i saw with the wideband it leaned out. so i thought if i went to stage 2.5 the stock ecu would control the injectors.(yes i couldnt trim the fuel anymore but i didnt really car about triming it) and i'd still be able to do all the rest from just stage 2.5 (air,add fuel,timing). but once again when the emange was hooked up with the boomslang wired to stage 2.5 it still misfires and leans out. but with the stock ecu its fine. so somthing is a miss. i dont have time to figure it out since i work all the time to live at the place i'm at. and the car is my daily driver. so i'm pushing more towards going with the dejon maf translator and the gm maf, and getting a lil fuel controller. and selling the emanage and wire harness and injector adapter. i'm thinking this is going to be my best bet. UNLESS SOME ONE IS CLOSE THAT WOULD DO THIS RIGHT FOR ME. i can pay you for your time. but you have to know what your doing.

and i'm going to give it away to who ever buys the whole thing from me. i think my best bet is putting it on ebay.

BlackStealth · 09-04-2007, 08:12 PM

sleeper3000: Sorry to hear of your troubles. With the emanage installed, did you remember to config the emanage for engine type=6G72? Cuz if you didn't then it would definately explain the weird problems you're having.

Maybe we shouldn't recommend anyone to go with a boomslang harness as it quickly makes things complicated. At least with the greddy harness you can take your time making progressive steps (stage 1, stage 2, stage 2.5 or stage 3) as one learns how to use the greddy product.

badass3000 · 09-04-2007, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleeper3000

... so i'm pushing more towards going with the dejon maf translator and the gm maf, and getting a lil fuel controller. ...

the maf translator IS a fuel controller and easy to use

sleeper3000 · 09-04-2007, 08:27 PM

yeah my troubles suck. but yeah i'm thinking that maybe the boomslang is the problem and i wanna try to use the greddy harnesses. but as of right now i dont have the time to mess with it. and yes i had it set right. i checked it all over when i changed the injectors to add only. made sure it was the right engine and even picked the maps you wanted for the stock data log you wanted. but something is a miss with the emanage.

tell me this though. with stage 2 does that only controll air and add fuel? if so i might just buy the greddy harnesses and start fresh. because i really want to go speed density. but then again are you able to go speed density from just stage 2?

right now i can hit 17psi easy. with just the fuel pump and boost controller upgrade. and the wideband says its still at 10.5 at wot at 17psi. doesnt really show it leaning out much. and no fuel cut off either. and thats with the stock 9b's. blitz bc says around 1.37 bars. i think thats around 17 psi or more. not for sure.

i bought a data logger so i dont really need the emanage to data log it all. so if you want i can still get you the stock settings. once the data logger is in. its from the hand held halo. obd 1 with version x3 or w.e. it should be nice but i'll see once i get it.

also i have a question, when i get water/meth i know its a fuel additive. it would make the car run even more rich right? but not much tho. so just with the water/meth i would be able to go with a higher boost level and not have to worry as much about knock and somthing going wrong right?

ALSO:
which is the best way to go speed density without the ultimate?

dejon blow threw-gm maf and a lil fuel controller?
or some other brand or way. like the pro-m from 3sx or dynamic racing?

09-03-2007, 04:29 AM	#301 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- ok another newb question. if i unplug the front o2 sensor that would make the check engine light come on right? if so then the car is fine. but i needed a spot to put the wideband o2 sensor in since the downpipe does not have one and the sensor did not come with a fitting to be welded on the exhaust downpipe. so i unplugged the front o2 sensor and put the wideband one in there so i could see what was going on and send it to the emanage. so if the check engine light came on because of the o2 sensor being unplugged then the car is fine. but if that wouldnt cause it to come on then somthing is messing up in my car. and as for the data logs i will be making them tuesday. and i'll post them tuesday also. and i have one more question about boost controllers. like i need to find out how much psi i'm running exactly, but the controller only reads bars. and charts or info on how much boost is at 1.00 bar i can do the math to find out the rest. but running boost at .98 bar should not hurt the car right? since i believe at that rate its about 14.5 - 15 psi? plz dont tell me its higher then that. and when do our cars start to see knock?

09-03-2007, 05:08 AM	#302 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- An unplugged narrowband o2 sensor won't immediately give a CEL error, instead you may have to drive 120 miles or so before it appears. I ran 1 bar (~14.5psi) of boost on my stock car for about 10 years without any problems. Knock would generally only show up in low rpms if I hit WOT in 4th or 5th gear.

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09-04-2007, 03:19 PM	#304 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- well like blackstealth said. pulling the o2 wont give a cel right away but it did come on. when i plugged it back up and reset the ecu it went away and has not come back. then i unplugged it and went for a drive about 100 miles. 50 miles away and 50 miles back the check engine light came back on. so it is the o2 sensor. and dont worry blackstealth i'll get you the data logs. i still gotta hook it all back up. and get my friends laptop. for some reason mine doesnt want to work it keeps saying its connected but then cant understand the ecu. but when i use my friends it works fine. i think its the usb ports ver. 1 or 2 dunno which one it likes.

09-04-2007, 06:31 PM	#305 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- well i think i'm done trying to use the emanage ultimate. every time i have it hooked up the car does not like to run higher then 4500 rpm and misfires. no idea what it could be at all. cant even data log still cause it cant go higher then 35% throttle or load, then it misfires and gets worse. i know other people have had the same problem. and i even wired it down to stage 2.5 that should have made it so the stock ecu would controll the injectors and pretty much let it run stock. but the boomslang harness doesnt let somthing right completely stock. dunno if its a lag between injectors and airflow metter sensors or what. but im gonna give up on the emanage ultimate. i would have loved to go speed density. i think i'm gonna have to go with the dejon set up. with the maf translator or somthing. unless someone near elkton md 21921 would be able to tune the car or find out why it only messes up when the emanage is hooked up. otherwise i'm gonna sell the emanage and wire harness. really wouldnt like to but looks like i'm gonna have to. and just buy a lil fuel controller or tune with the dejon maf translator. sorry blackstealth but it just wouldnt run right. no idea why. its all stock. didnt change anything. the only thing i changed was in the settings i changed it to add fuel only and changed the jumpers you told me before. and cross the wires over the harness instead of going to the emanage and cutting them off from the stock ecu. so i'm stomped. i shouldnt have to add fuel at the higher rpms because from what i saw the car leaned out when it misfired, so the only reason it would do that is if the airflow meter map was not working right. or the injector map. i dunno. i need someone that knows what to do to fix it. with the stock ecu and boost controller i have on it. it will go to 17psi easy. but i dont run it that high. only did that once. and havnt done it again cuz i dont have a knock monitor or anything. i bought the datalogger for obd1 and should be in soon. so again if anyone is near elkton md 21921 and knows how to tune, with the emanage ultimate. i will drive all the way or half way to meet you. i would really like to keep the ultimate but its just causeing way to many problems for no reason. and if i cant get anyone to tune it then i'll be selling the ultimate and wire harness. for 600. its the boomslang harness retail 200 but i cut the wires but that can easily be fixed back to stage 3. and the ultimate emanage retail 500 only used it 3 times. and only for 2 hours each time. and i also have the greddy injector adapter thats going for free. dunno what shipping is going to be cuz i dont know where or who wants it. but for all the parts its gonna be 600.

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09-04-2007, 07:50 PM	#307 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- lol well wanted the emanage so i could controll fuel,air,timing. thats why i got stage 3. well in doing so this caused the check engine light to come on for one. (cuz of the cut injector lines) and two the car couldnt even go past 35% throttle without misfiring. and when it hits 4000 rpms without the load on it. it misfires. and from what i saw with the wideband it leaned out. so i thought if i went to stage 2.5 the stock ecu would control the injectors.(yes i couldnt trim the fuel anymore but i didnt really car about triming it) and i'd still be able to do all the rest from just stage 2.5 (air,add fuel,timing). but once again when the emange was hooked up with the boomslang wired to stage 2.5 it still misfires and leans out. but with the stock ecu its fine. so somthing is a miss. i dont have time to figure it out since i work all the time to live at the place i'm at. and the car is my daily driver. so i'm pushing more towards going with the dejon maf translator and the gm maf, and getting a lil fuel controller. and selling the emanage and wire harness and injector adapter. i'm thinking this is going to be my best bet. UNLESS SOME ONE IS CLOSE THAT WOULD DO THIS RIGHT FOR ME. i can pay you for your time. but you have to know what your doing. and i'm going to give it away to who ever buys the whole thing from me. i think my best bet is putting it on ebay.

09-04-2007, 08:12 PM	#308 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- sleeper3000: Sorry to hear of your troubles. With the emanage installed, did you remember to config the emanage for engine type=6G72? Cuz if you didn't then it would definately explain the weird problems you're having. Maybe we shouldn't recommend anyone to go with a boomslang harness as it quickly makes things complicated. At least with the greddy harness you can take your time making progressive steps (stage 1, stage 2, stage 2.5 or stage 3) as one learns how to use the greddy product.

09-04-2007, 08:27 PM	#310 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- yeah my troubles suck. but yeah i'm thinking that maybe the boomslang is the problem and i wanna try to use the greddy harnesses. but as of right now i dont have the time to mess with it. and yes i had it set right. i checked it all over when i changed the injectors to add only. made sure it was the right engine and even picked the maps you wanted for the stock data log you wanted. but something is a miss with the emanage. tell me this though. with stage 2 does that only controll air and add fuel? if so i might just buy the greddy harnesses and start fresh. because i really want to go speed density. but then again are you able to go speed density from just stage 2? right now i can hit 17psi easy. with just the fuel pump and boost controller upgrade. and the wideband says its still at 10.5 at wot at 17psi. doesnt really show it leaning out much. and no fuel cut off either. and thats with the stock 9b's. blitz bc says around 1.37 bars. i think thats around 17 psi or more. not for sure. i bought a data logger so i dont really need the emanage to data log it all. so if you want i can still get you the stock settings. once the data logger is in. its from the hand held halo. obd 1 with version x3 or w.e. it should be nice but i'll see once i get it. also i have a question, when i get water/meth i know its a fuel additive. it would make the car run even more rich right? but not much tho. so just with the water/meth i would be able to go with a higher boost level and not have to worry as much about knock and somthing going wrong right? ALSO: which is the best way to go speed density without the ultimate? dejon blow threw-gm maf and a lil fuel controller? or some other brand or way. like the pro-m from 3sx or dynamic racing?