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BlackStealth · 08-25-2007, 03:16 PM

When I was at stage 3 and at very low boost levels emanage worked fine, but at higher boost levels it screwed up (going overly rich). I spent two days trying to lean it out but couldn't. My unit is revision B, and the latest units are now revision E. I'm taking a wild guess here, but is it possible the older units don't work properly at stage 3?

Returning back to stage 2.5 I no longer have the "rich bug", so my tuning isn't the problem.

sleeper3000 · 08-26-2007, 08:57 PM

well my problem is that i'm all stock. no upgrades. and when using the stock maf the car idle's rich and stutters at 40% throttle. just because the stage 3 cuts the injector wires. and i also put on the gto adapter to fix the rich and check engine light. but still idled rich at idle. not as much as before but it still was rich.

and as far as tuning . yeah most likely tuning with a map sensor instead of the stock maf would make it run better and be easier to tune based on load. but as me being all stock staying all stock settings should not have caused it to freak out like it has.

after talkin to blackstealth i went down to stage 2.5 and it works way better then stage 3. it idles perfect as if the harness is not even plugged in. and i can actually get data log runs.

thanks for the help blackstealth

Racer_X · 08-27-2007, 07:27 AM

that's pretty wierd. I have plugged in an emu into a running car before and left all the parameters zeroed out and the car ran with no change. are you still using the stock MAF? is your injector latency settings changed? are all your internal jumpers set correctly (per the board, not per greddy's instructions)? If you are running air flow in/air flow out, you should be able to plug the thing in and drive, even with stage 3 (assuming that means injector and ignition timing intercept). some cars need the adapter. some cars don't even throw a code (my friends 94 stealth turbo didn't flinch)

SirLaughaloTT · 08-27-2007, 03:52 PM

my car seems to idle very rich also... my parameters and jumpers are set im using stock maf and bigger injectors 680 but no matter how much i subtract at idle the car still ends up running rich...when i start the car at first it will run 14.7 then when it warms up it will drop to like 13.3.. my 02s are at 93v...

any ideas on how i can get my car to idle more lean its....

Thanks Adam,

sleeper3000 · 08-30-2007, 11:59 AM

this is probably just a newb question. but. does the 1st gen 3000gt's have a knock sensor? because i cant find it. and also. i have the blitz dsbc and it increases the boost. and i can feel it alot. and they said i would need a bigger fuel pump to go into higher boost. now a sign that the pump wasnt good enough would be if the wideband gauge leaned out right? that would mean it couldnt keep up with the air coming in. well the wide band i have is the aem uego single channel. brand new so i know the sensor is telling me the right stuff. but at 16.7 psi the car was still running 10.2 a/f at wide open throttle. so does this mean the pump is keeping up with it so far. and if its still at 10.2 a/f ratio does that mean i wouldnt have to much knock. because i know some people add more fuel to fix knock. i'm just worried about knock because i dont think the 1st gen cars have a knock sensor and i really need to get one. i've lowered the psi back down to 12psi just to be safe. but just wanted to know if 10.2 a/f is good. it should be stock but just want to make sure.

badass3000 · 08-30-2007, 12:28 PM

1st gen have knock sensors!
and 10.2 is super rich, means you still have some pump left but super rich will cause knock just like too leaN.

sleeper3000 · 08-30-2007, 06:22 PM

where would this knock sensor be? and how can i make it so i can record it with the ultimate? and also. the a/f ratio 10.2 is the stock setting for 100% load in the higher rpms. so i thought that 10.2 was ok. but if it is to rich then i should boost up the boost and gain of the boost to get somthing around 11.00 a/f?
because right now i can get 16 psi with stock everything except i have a 3 inch exhaust and its cat less. thats it. and it gets to 16 psi fast. since i put the boost controller on it. but if the a/f gauge says 10.2 at wide open throttle then it can still take some more air. but there is a big difference from 10 psi which was where i was and now at 16 psi. it runs like a bat out of hell but i dont want it to run back into hell when it breaks.

so if i have a knock sensor stock. how would i wire it to the e-manage ultimate? i have the boomslang wire harness so if its already hooked up then i just need to set the settings right in the e-manage ultimate. in the par settings. but what to pick and set to is the question. any help or suggestions are welcome.

also by disconnecting the front narrow band o2 sensor is that going to affect the stock ecu or affect the tuning any? and would that make it run really rich, just as it would if the stock o2 sensors went bad? but i also dont think it would affect it either. because when its idling the wideband gauge says its running at 14.7 or 14.8 which is right where it should be. and when i increase the rpm's it goes to 13.00 like it did before i took the front o2 sensor off. and at wide open throttle thats the only time it goes to 10.2 but thats at 100% load and all out speed shifting. so i think its fine. i really dont think the stock ecu controls each half of the engine differently. like since it has 2 o2 sensors on the front pipe and the rear pipe. i really dont think it controls the front part of the engine differently from the rear part.

thanks in advance

BlackStealth · 08-31-2007, 05:30 AM

Seeing you have a 91, why not use an OBDI style datalogger? They're cheap and you can datalog Knocksum nicely. Someone somewhere has documented on how to configure the knock sensor on the ultimate.

Boomslang harness comes in three configuration versions, so it's hard to say for sure if it's hooked up or not.

10.2 AFR at WOT is normal for stock, nothing to be worried here. If you could, can you please send me your datalogs. I'm very curious to see what a stock car uses for AFR throughout the RPM and Boost ranges. We have this stock AFR map but the load scale is undefined.

sleeper3000 · 08-31-2007, 12:37 PM

sure thing. what all do you want in the data logs? everything? or just air/flow and engine load and a/f ratios? i'll just record it all. just give me some time because i work thursday-monday 4pm-5am. and i have to hook up the boomslang again. i took it off because with the added boost i wanted the stock ecu to control it all until i can get time to work on the car more. its my daily driver so i sorta need it all the time. i'll have the maps for you this week. and yeah i was going by the stock a/f ratio map and it said it was fine to be at 10.2 but that other guys said its super rich and that freaked me out for a sec. cause i hate stage 3 and dont want to go back to it just to subtract fuel.

but yeah sometime this week i'll have the data runs for you.

BlackStealth · 08-31-2007, 01:24 PM

What's of interest to me is, RPM, Boost, Airflow in, wideband o2 AFR. Emanage tends to datalog everything so in case you forgot to tag something, it'll be there for review if you select for it again.

The factory tune is rich on purpose, so don't worry about 10.2 being rich. Most people tend to go for ~11.5 AFR to extract more HP.

08-25-2007, 03:16 PM	#291 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- When I was at stage 3 and at very low boost levels emanage worked fine, but at higher boost levels it screwed up (going overly rich). I spent two days trying to lean it out but couldn't. My unit is revision B, and the latest units are now revision E. I'm taking a wild guess here, but is it possible the older units don't work properly at stage 3? Returning back to stage 2.5 I no longer have the "rich bug", so my tuning isn't the problem.

08-26-2007, 08:57 PM	#292 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- well my problem is that i'm all stock. no upgrades. and when using the stock maf the car idle's rich and stutters at 40% throttle. just because the stage 3 cuts the injector wires. and i also put on the gto adapter to fix the rich and check engine light. but still idled rich at idle. not as much as before but it still was rich. and as far as tuning . yeah most likely tuning with a map sensor instead of the stock maf would make it run better and be easier to tune based on load. but as me being all stock staying all stock settings should not have caused it to freak out like it has. after talkin to blackstealth i went down to stage 2.5 and it works way better then stage 3. it idles perfect as if the harness is not even plugged in. and i can actually get data log runs. thanks for the help blackstealth

08-27-2007, 07:27 AM	#293 (permalink)
Racer_X just some guy. Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Stockbridge, Georgia Drives: 94 Stealth Turbo Trader Rating: (9)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- that's pretty wierd. I have plugged in an emu into a running car before and left all the parameters zeroed out and the car ran with no change. are you still using the stock MAF? is your injector latency settings changed? are all your internal jumpers set correctly (per the board, not per greddy's instructions)? If you are running air flow in/air flow out, you should be able to plug the thing in and drive, even with stage 3 (assuming that means injector and ignition timing intercept). some cars need the adapter. some cars don't even throw a code (my friends 94 stealth turbo didn't flinch) __________________ Pretty good for 2 shot turbos and a boost leak

08-27-2007, 03:52 PM	#294 (permalink)
SirLaughaloTT Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: poughkeepsie ny 1260 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- my car seems to idle very rich also... my parameters and jumpers are set im using stock maf and bigger injectors 680 but no matter how much i subtract at idle the car still ends up running rich...when i start the car at first it will run 14.7 then when it warms up it will drop to like 13.3.. my 02s are at 93v... any ideas on how i can get my car to idle more lean its.... Thanks Adam, __________________ Turbo in the blood In Loving memory of Richie Bonini It won't be long will meet again Tdo5 headers, evo III 16g's, manual boost controller, denso full pump hotwired, egr delete, soild motor mounts, 680 injects,godspeed front mount intercooler 24x12x4 with ppe piping. aeromotive Fuel pressure regulater, sx fuel filter steel braided lines, greddy ultimate,lc-1 wideband AC delete, cruise control delete..I think thats all

08-30-2007, 11:59 AM	#295 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- this is probably just a newb question. but. does the 1st gen 3000gt's have a knock sensor? because i cant find it. and also. i have the blitz dsbc and it increases the boost. and i can feel it alot. and they said i would need a bigger fuel pump to go into higher boost. now a sign that the pump wasnt good enough would be if the wideband gauge leaned out right? that would mean it couldnt keep up with the air coming in. well the wide band i have is the aem uego single channel. brand new so i know the sensor is telling me the right stuff. but at 16.7 psi the car was still running 10.2 a/f at wide open throttle. so does this mean the pump is keeping up with it so far. and if its still at 10.2 a/f ratio does that mean i wouldnt have to much knock. because i know some people add more fuel to fix knock. i'm just worried about knock because i dont think the 1st gen cars have a knock sensor and i really need to get one. i've lowered the psi back down to 12psi just to be safe. but just wanted to know if 10.2 a/f is good. it should be stock but just want to make sure.

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08-30-2007, 12:28 PM	#296 (permalink)
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08-30-2007, 06:22 PM	#297 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- where would this knock sensor be? and how can i make it so i can record it with the ultimate? and also. the a/f ratio 10.2 is the stock setting for 100% load in the higher rpms. so i thought that 10.2 was ok. but if it is to rich then i should boost up the boost and gain of the boost to get somthing around 11.00 a/f? because right now i can get 16 psi with stock everything except i have a 3 inch exhaust and its cat less. thats it. and it gets to 16 psi fast. since i put the boost controller on it. but if the a/f gauge says 10.2 at wide open throttle then it can still take some more air. but there is a big difference from 10 psi which was where i was and now at 16 psi. it runs like a bat out of hell but i dont want it to run back into hell when it breaks. so if i have a knock sensor stock. how would i wire it to the e-manage ultimate? i have the boomslang wire harness so if its already hooked up then i just need to set the settings right in the e-manage ultimate. in the par settings. but what to pick and set to is the question. any help or suggestions are welcome. also by disconnecting the front narrow band o2 sensor is that going to affect the stock ecu or affect the tuning any? and would that make it run really rich, just as it would if the stock o2 sensors went bad? but i also dont think it would affect it either. because when its idling the wideband gauge says its running at 14.7 or 14.8 which is right where it should be. and when i increase the rpm's it goes to 13.00 like it did before i took the front o2 sensor off. and at wide open throttle thats the only time it goes to 10.2 but thats at 100% load and all out speed shifting. so i think its fine. i really dont think the stock ecu controls each half of the engine differently. like since it has 2 o2 sensors on the front pipe and the rear pipe. i really dont think it controls the front part of the engine differently from the rear part. thanks in advance Last edited by sleeper3000 : 08-30-2007 at 09:38 PM.

08-31-2007, 05:30 AM	#298 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- Seeing you have a 91, why not use an OBDI style datalogger? They're cheap and you can datalog Knocksum nicely. Someone somewhere has documented on how to configure the knock sensor on the ultimate. Boomslang harness comes in three configuration versions, so it's hard to say for sure if it's hooked up or not. 10.2 AFR at WOT is normal for stock, nothing to be worried here. If you could, can you please send me your datalogs. I'm very curious to see what a stock car uses for AFR throughout the RPM and Boost ranges. We have this stock AFR map but the load scale is undefined.

08-31-2007, 12:37 PM	#299 (permalink)
sleeper3000 sleeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: elkton, maryland Drives: 1991 mits vr-4 :) Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- sure thing. what all do you want in the data logs? everything? or just air/flow and engine load and a/f ratios? i'll just record it all. just give me some time because i work thursday-monday 4pm-5am. and i have to hook up the boomslang again. i took it off because with the added boost i wanted the stock ecu to control it all until i can get time to work on the car more. its my daily driver so i sorta need it all the time. i'll have the maps for you this week. and yeah i was going by the stock a/f ratio map and it said it was fine to be at 10.2 but that other guys said its super rich and that freaked me out for a sec. cause i hate stage 3 and dont want to go back to it just to subtract fuel. but yeah sometime this week i'll have the data runs for you.

08-31-2007, 01:24 PM	#300 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- What's of interest to me is, RPM, Boost, Airflow in, wideband o2 AFR. Emanage tends to datalog everything so in case you forgot to tag something, it'll be there for review if you select for it again. The factory tune is rich on purpose, so don't worry about 10.2 being rich. Most people tend to go for ~11.5 AFR to extract more HP.