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SirLaughaloTT · 07-23-2007, 12:01 AM

hey thanks for all the help guys!!!

Fred 62 · 07-23-2007, 02:22 AM

AudioPmp23,

the warm up is also fonction of water temp, intake temp, barro, MAF frequency.

i think you should modify some datas in the differents maps when the engine is hot at idle ( from 176°F for example ).
you can play with airflow map, I/J map1, timing map1. but only if you have a boomslang harness stage 3.

when the car is hot for me ( 194°F ), playing with ignition will modify the RPM at idle ( -20° or +20° for example ). the engine can be more stable but RPM can decrease.

after having a good tune when engine is hot at idle, the goal is to undertand how the ECU control the warm up. ( from 0°F to 190° of water for example ) !
the ecu will compensate at low temperature the injection and perhaps the timing. but what are the goods values ?

playing with I/J and timing maps in fonction of water and air temperature should help a lot !
it is ok when engine is cold or hot, but at 100°F it is not that simple. too much or less injection or timing ? i don't know.
i'm playing around warm up for the moment. and it is not that simple with big injectors.

@+
fred

BlackStealth · 07-23-2007, 05:30 AM

AudioPmp23:
If your datalogger is reporting the same value (38Hz) and the O2's aren't changing when you're making extreme changes in your airflow map then your setup is not working. Here's three possibilities:

1) The MAF wires are not wired in correctly.
or
2) Your emanage configuration did not take. I've seen this happen when upgrading to a newer firmware and use your old configuration file. If you use the export function it will work temporarily until you power down the emanage. Copy down your settings on paper and start with a fresh map and emanage will be happy again.
or
3) Your emanage hardware is defective (less likely).

AudioPmp23 · 07-23-2007, 07:44 AM

Im damn sure the wires are correct for the MAF. I followed the instructions from your thread as well as verified the wires comparing against an ECU pin diagram for my '93.
I thought of the possibility of the newer software (using 2.13) so I made a brand new map from scratch. The MAF I am using is a newer stock replacement so Im pretty sure it's not that.

Do you think it's going into a safety mode? Similar to how you cant use too big of injectors using the SAFC because air correction can only do so much?

I'll try and monitor today to see if the air correction numbers match at higher airflow numbers. Other than that Im

EDIT: I monitored the A/F ratio and Airflow Hz by revving the motor and also using the A/C. The correction numbers work properly in the higher numbers. The correction is applied and the most difference between E-manage Hz and Datalogger Hz is 2-3Hz. Whereas I should be getting around 27-28 Hz at idle, the ECU must go into a safety mode where it wont allow anything less than 38Hz... lame

SirLaughaloTT · 07-23-2007, 10:33 AM

Hey where can i get the Greddy harness for reading wideband o2 results (0-5V)

BlackStealth · 07-23-2007, 04:02 PM

AudioPmp23: Do you have anti engine stall feature enabled? If it's enabled it might be clamping your signal to 38hz. Next if you're convinced everything is working fine and your theory is correct that your ECU won't accept any input lower -- then you'll have to wire your EMU to stage 3 and reduce the injector duty cycle after the ECU.

AudioPmp23 · 07-23-2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

AudioPmp23: Do you have anti engine stall feature enabled? If it's enabled it might be clamping your signal to 38hz. Next if you're convinced everything is working fine and your theory is correct that your ECU won't accept any input lower -- then you'll have to wire your EMU to stage 3 and reduce the injector duty cycle after the ECU.

Anti-Engine stall is not activated. Stage 3 was my next thought, wonder if it would trip a CEL anyway...Balls. Oh well, at least I already have the I/J adaptor.

Is it true that it's a better idea to grab separate power for the adaptor? I can't see it drawing that much current. Also, can I use pin # 32 (Dark Blue/Yellow) for Water temp? Can I just tap the signal wire going into the ECU and configure it in Front Panel?

SirLaughaloTT: The A/F harness is becoming hard to find due to national backorder through Greddy. I tried 15 shops and finally found one at Alamomotorsports.com. Call first to confirm "in stock"

BlackStealth · 07-24-2007, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioPmp23

Is it true that it's a better idea to grab separate power for the adaptor? I can't see it drawing that much current. Also, can I use pin # 32 (Dark Blue/Yellow) for Water temp? Can I just tap the signal wire going into the ECU and configure it in Front Panel?

Grabbing power from the ECU harness works fine. You'll have to dig deep into the other emanage installation thread to find your answer as I posted my boomslang harness pinout there.

markoverclock · 07-24-2007, 09:43 PM

need some help i want to eliminate the hotwire mas airflow on my car. how can make the ultimate give the ecu a signal?

fyi its not a 3ooogt.

Show Killer · 07-25-2007, 07:59 AM

HELP !!

Does anyone know who has this in stock? --> Greddy A/F Option part# 15900912

I ordered it from Turbo Wholesalers but they just sent me an e-mail saying it's on back order for atleast 4 weeks. I really want to get the EMU installed on my car before the Texas gathering which is in 3 weeks.

Thanks for your help,

Phil

07-23-2007, 12:01 AM	#191 (permalink)
SirLaughaloTT Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: poughkeepsie ny 1260 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- hey thanks for all the help guys!!! __________________ Turbo in the blood In Loving memory of Richie Bonini It won't be long will meet again Tdo5 headers, evo III 16g's, manual boost controller, denso full pump hotwired, egr delete, soild motor mounts, 680 injects,godspeed front mount intercooler 24x12x4 with ppe piping. aeromotive Fuel pressure regulater, sx fuel filter steel braided lines, greddy ultimate,lc-1 wideband AC delete, cruise control delete..I think thats all

07-23-2007, 02:22 AM	#192 (permalink)
Fred 62 Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: FRANCE Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- AudioPmp23, the warm up is also fonction of water temp, intake temp, barro, MAF frequency. i think you should modify some datas in the differents maps when the engine is hot at idle ( from 176°F for example ). you can play with airflow map, I/J map1, timing map1. but only if you have a boomslang harness stage 3. when the car is hot for me ( 194°F ), playing with ignition will modify the RPM at idle ( -20° or +20° for example ). the engine can be more stable but RPM can decrease. after having a good tune when engine is hot at idle, the goal is to undertand how the ECU control the warm up. ( from 0°F to 190° of water for example ) ! the ecu will compensate at low temperature the injection and perhaps the timing. but what are the goods values ? playing with I/J and timing maps in fonction of water and air temperature should help a lot ! it is ok when engine is cold or hot, but at 100°F it is not that simple. too much or less injection or timing ? i don't know. i'm playing around warm up for the moment. and it is not that simple with big injectors. @+ fred __________________ Donnes le meilleur de toi même en toutes circonstances DN precat & manifold, downpipe, JIC exhaust, TD04 HL15G, IK27, Magnecor 8.5, EGR & canister & solenoids removed, Samco hoses, FIPK air filter, HKS twin power DLI, RPS max clutch & flywheel, DN intake pipes & Paceproducts intercoolers 680cc injectors, emanage ultimate, GM boost solenoid, PLX-R500, MMCD1.8 + palm, 7 gauges + pillar pods, blitz turbo timer blitz DSBC boost controller, tein type S springs, strut bars 3SX & sways bars, DBA brake discs, Goodridge Stainless-Steel Brake Lines carbon pads, shift boot and knob, kevlar timing belt, oil line kit 3SX, supra pump, boost a pump, fuel fiter and fuel rail adapter & modifications 92.5 wiseco pistons, clevitte bearings, ferrea 1mm oversized valves, head porting, fidanza can gears -3/+1, etc...

07-23-2007, 05:30 AM	#193 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- AudioPmp23: If your datalogger is reporting the same value (38Hz) and the O2's aren't changing when you're making extreme changes in your airflow map then your setup is not working. Here's three possibilities: 1) The MAF wires are not wired in correctly. or 2) Your emanage configuration did not take. I've seen this happen when upgrading to a newer firmware and use your old configuration file. If you use the export function it will work temporarily until you power down the emanage. Copy down your settings on paper and start with a fresh map and emanage will be happy again. or 3) Your emanage hardware is defective (less likely).

07-23-2007, 07:44 AM	#194 (permalink)
AudioPmp23 Getrag Wrestler Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lakewood CO Drives: Pearl White 93 VR-4 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- Im damn sure the wires are correct for the MAF. I followed the instructions from your thread as well as verified the wires comparing against an ECU pin diagram for my '93. I thought of the possibility of the newer software (using 2.13) so I made a brand new map from scratch. The MAF I am using is a newer stock replacement so Im pretty sure it's not that. Do you think it's going into a safety mode? Similar to how you cant use too big of injectors using the SAFC because air correction can only do so much? I'll try and monitor today to see if the air correction numbers match at higher airflow numbers. Other than that Im EDIT: I monitored the A/F ratio and Airflow Hz by revving the motor and also using the A/C. The correction numbers work properly in the higher numbers. The correction is applied and the most difference between E-manage Hz and Datalogger Hz is 2-3Hz. Whereas I should be getting around 27-28 Hz at idle, the ECU must go into a safety mode where it wont allow anything less than 38Hz... lame __________________ Hi my name's Nate and I've been addicted to boost for four years now... Last edited by AudioPmp23 : 07-23-2007 at 08:52 AM.

07-23-2007, 10:33 AM	#195 (permalink)
SirLaughaloTT Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: poughkeepsie ny 1260 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- Hey where can i get the Greddy harness for reading wideband o2 results (0-5V)

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07-23-2007, 04:02 PM	#196 (permalink)
BlackStealth Verified Seller Join Date: Apr 2000 Drives: 93 RT/TT Trader Rating: (162)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- AudioPmp23: Do you have anti engine stall feature enabled? If it's enabled it might be clamping your signal to 38hz. Next if you're convinced everything is working fine and your theory is correct that your ECU won't accept any input lower -- then you'll have to wire your EMU to stage 3 and reduce the injector duty cycle after the ECU.

07-24-2007, 09:43 PM	#199 (permalink)
markoverclock Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tomball,Tx Drives: 92 RT-TT Trader Rating: (43)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- need some help i want to eliminate the hotwire mas airflow on my car. how can make the ultimate give the ecu a signal? fyi its not a 3ooogt.

07-25-2007, 07:59 AM	#200 (permalink)
Show Killer Puts Out On 1st Date ! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Amarillo, Texas Drives: 9 HootersGirls A Day Trader Rating: (31)	Re: -= Ultimate Emanage Tuning Thread =- HELP !! Does anyone know who has this in stock? --> Greddy A/F Option part# 15900912 I ordered it from Turbo Wholesalers but they just sent me an e-mail saying it's on back order for atleast 4 weeks. I really want to get the EMU installed on my car before the Texas gathering which is in 3 weeks. Thanks for your help, Phil __________________ Driver of Turbo Dodges. A '92 Stealth RT/TT and an '03 Ram 2500. Stealth - 15G's,FMIC,E-Manage Ultimate and other supporting goodies Ram 2500 - Single turbo, FMIC and 4" exhaust (aka-stock)