MAFT Gen 2 - Anyone?

[Highboosted]

Originally Posted by Drweldin

When I set them both to -35, the car won't start.....or run I should say....but I only tried this once. When I set the mainscale OR the tune to -35 it runs fine.....but not both....AFR was too high.....too lean.
Are you saying the -70 is normal, considering 560 injectors??

NO! Don't do that, lmao. -35 is about normal for 560's, set your mainscale to this. Your done with this step. Now you can procede with tuning the tune pages.

You really need to slow down and pay attention to what Bob is saying. Your jumping ahead at every step and not paying attention to what you are doing. That is a VERY bad thing to do when your dealing with fuel management.

[Drweldin]

Originally Posted by Highboosted

NO! Don't do that, lmao. -35 is about normal for 560's, set your mainscale to this. Your done with this step. Now you can procede with tuning the tune pages.

You really need to slow down and pay attention to what Bob is saying. Your jumping ahead at every step and not paying attention to what you are doing. That is a VERY bad thing to do when your dealing with fuel management.

Slow down?? Ive been working on this aspect all week, and havnt had the car out of the garage.....I am coming from an AFC world, and I have to say I am listening to EVERYTHING Bob is saying.....the layout is not very intuitive coming from the simplicity of an AFC - sorry
.....So AGAIN, the point of the tuning pages is to fine tune the "mainscale"- correct?? So those will likely be very small increments - correct?

[Highboosted]

Originally Posted by Drweldin

Slow down?? Ive been working on this aspect all week, and havnt had the car out of the garage.....I am coming from an AFC world, and I have to say I am listening to EVERYTHING Bob is saying.....the layout is not very intuitive coming from the simplicity of an AFC - sorry
.....So AGAIN, the point of the tuning pages is to fine tune the "mainscale"- correct?? So those will likely be very small increments - correct?

Correct. Think of it as 2 AFC's, mainscale is an AFC for the entire rev range, tune pages is like a normal AFC: tune per RPM. The two numbers are combined and thats your "usertune" you see on the sensor monitor page. Bob was just pointing out that -35 on the mainscale is the same as -35 on the tune page, not to actually run -35 on both.

-35 (or whatever your car likes, adjust it til your car drives good) for mainscale, and tune pages for fine tuning.

[Drweldin]

Originally Posted by Highboosted

Correct. Think of it as 2 AFC's, mainscale is an AFC for the entire rev range, tune pages is like a normal AFC: tune per RPM. The two numbers are combined and thats your "usertune" you see on the sensor monitor page. Bob was just pointing out that -35 on the mainscale is the same as -35 on the tune page, not to actually run -35 on both.

-35 (or whatever your car likes, adjust it til your car drives good) for mainscale, and tune pages for fine tuning.

Thanks for the clarification

[Drweldin]

Originally Posted by Drweldin

Slow down?? Ive been working on this aspect all week, and havnt had the car out of the garage.....I am coming from an AFC world, and I have to say I am listening to EVERYTHING Bob is saying.....the layout is not very intuitive coming from the simplicity of an AFC - sorry
.....So AGAIN, the point of the tuning pages is to fine tune the "mainscale"- correct?? So those will likely be very small increments - correct?

Im going to quote myself - lol
But I wanted to clarify want I meant by "intuitive".....
All the extra features and getting them to all mesh together takes
more know how, Im just trying to learn it all so I have 100% understanding
of the product - not 75%.....hopefully that makes sense.....
Hence all the questions.

[TurboBob]

As your knowledge grows, feel free to offer suggestions that would assist the other users.

I feel the user interface is intuitive, and I tried to include enough description in the user guide so people can understand how it works. However I am not a professional writer, and may have left out some details crucial to the end users.

Thanks!

Bob

[Drweldin]

Originally Posted by TurboBob

As your knowledge grows, feel free to offer suggestions that would assist the other users.

I feel the user interface is intuitive, and I tried to include enough description in the user guide so people can understand how it works. However I am not a professional writer, and may have left out some details crucial to the end users.

Thanks!

Bob

You're exactly right...the interface it pretty intuitive after you use it a few times, but the technical writing is lacking a few details for us with only an AFC frame of reference.....I really like the product so far....

[Drweldin]

Originally Posted by TurboBob

The LC1 has 2 analog outputs. You should program the other analog output as a regular LC1 and use it for the Gen-2.

I don't know where Clint got the 8.0 - 22.0 range from. He indicated that it was some sort of standard. But I have not found a single wideband unit that uses this range. If you know of one, let me know.

Bob

Bob,
After looking at Innovate's site, and comparing to my experience hooking up the LC-1, I remembered that "Output #1" on the LC-1 is actually pre-programmed to simulate a NB sensor in the .1V-1.1V range, and cannot be used with a WB.....just thought Id pass that along.....also, the factory "out of the box" output #2 (compatabile with realtime WB) is 0-5V = 7.35-22.30 AFR.......so it looks like Im out of luck on that one.....wonder why Clint didnt make the MMCD match the LC-1?
BUT, I would think the (2) values (MMCD & Gen2) would be closer, because the ranges are pretty close...but while MMCD was reading 13-14 AFR, GEN2 was reading 11.xx....much farther apart than I would expect....
Anyway, one more question:
Is it safe to assume that if "WB correction" is set at 100% that WB tracking is "disabled"?

[TurboBob]

Originally Posted by Drweldin

Bob,
After looking at Innovate's site, and comparing to my experience hooking up the LC-1, I remembered that "Output #1" on the LC-1 is actually pre-programmed to simulate a NB sensor in the .1V-1.1V range, and cannot be used with a WB.....just thought Id pass that along.....also, the factory "out of the box" output #2 (compatabile with realtime WB) is 0-5V = 7.35-22.30 AFR.......so it looks like Im out of luck on that one.....wonder why Clint didnt make the MMCD match the LC-1?
BUT, I would think the (2) values (MMCD & Gen2) would be closer, because the ranges are pretty close...but while MMCD was reading 13-14 AFR, GEN2 was reading 11.xx....much farther apart than I would expect....
Anyway, one more question:
Is it safe to assume that if "WB correction" is set at 100% that WB tracking is "disabled"?

You can program either output on the LC1 to be whatever you want. But yes, they are preprogrammed as a narrow-band on #1 and a wideband on #2.

if the correction factor is 100% then the wideband tracking is not modifying the AFR.

Bob

[Drweldin]

Originally Posted by TurboBob

You can program either output on the LC1 to be whatever you want. But yes, they are preprogrammed as a narrow-band on #1 and a wideband on #2.

if the correction factor is 100% then the wideband tracking is not modifying the AFR.

Bob

Ok - I'll have to look at it again...
Thanks!