Twin turbo vs single turbo

[IttyBitty9Bees]

lol stupid Dual Ball Bearing technology and ultra lightweight materials

[IttyBitty9Bees]

But yeah, in the end, single turbos will ALWAYS win... But hell, seeing as I have a pretty potent twin setup, might as well try to exploit that route, like eventually going to a pair of 20g's that could bolt on to my current flanges...or some other derivative with the same flange.

[SnakeSkinner]

Originally Posted by IttyBitty9Bees

But yeah, in the end, single turbos will ALWAYS win...

well you better tell that to nearly all the Pro turbo V8 cars were about 95% of them run twins now adays. (a few yrs ago it was the other way around, the cars are faster now)

All the fastest late model corvettes, Twins

All the Fastest Vipers, Twins

All the fastest 3/s cars ,Twins

I think 9 out of the Top 10 fastest Skylines Twins

I think the only places were Singles power the fastest cars are on 4 cil cars, and Supra's

[IttyBitty9Bees]

Originally Posted by SnakeSkinner

well you better tell that to nearly all the Pro turbo V8 cars were about 95% of them run twins now adays. (a few yrs ago it was the other way around, the cars are faster now)

All the fastest late model corvettes, Twins

All the Fastest Vipers, Twins

All the fastest 3/s cars ,Twins

I think 9 out of the Top 10 fastest Skylines Twins

I think the only places were Singles power the fastest cars are on 4 cil cars, and Supra's

I agree with you for the most part......

when I said always it mostly meant towards small to medium displacement engines..like u said...4 bangers...and supras..and to be honest..it's only a matter of time before a big single beats the twin turbo vr4 record.

I love twins..and will probably stay that route.


Most of your examples, however, involve BIG displacement engines..4.6 liter all the way up to 8 liter + where it would literally be a JOKE to have just ONE turbo..regardless of size (except for MAYBE a gt60), it's literally effortless for a 5.7 or a 6.0 liter sized engine to OUTFLOW most single turbos...so it only makes sense to take what WE would call a "single turbo setup" and run TWO of those mothers just to take full advantage of what those big liter engines can do.....

In that sense, the only "single turbo" setups for big displacement is either people with low hp expectations and/or shallow pockets....OR....people just beginning to dabble..and want to start off small until they can truly take full advantage of those motors and run twin HUGE turbochargers and run insane levels of HP.


Speaking of which, I've been wanting a cheap c5 for awhile just so I can stick a twin gt-35r setup on it....550 rwhp at 9psi mmmmmmm

[IPSjeff]

Originally Posted by IttyBitty9Bees

I agree with you for the most part......

when I said always it mostly meant towards small to medium displacement engines..like u said...4 bangers...and supras..and to be honest..it's only a matter of time before a big single beats the twin turbo vr4 record.

I love twins..and will probably stay that route.


Most of your examples, however, involve BIG displacement engines..4.6 liter all the way up to 8 liter + where it would literally be a JOKE to have just ONE turbo..regardless of size (except for MAYBE a gt60), it's literally effortless for a 5.7 or a 6.0 liter sized engine to OUTFLOW most single turbos...so it only makes sense to take what WE would call a "single turbo setup" and run TWO of those mothers just to take full advantage of what those big liter engines can do.....

In that sense, the only "single turbo" setups for big displacement is either people with low hp expectations and/or shallow pockets....OR....people just beginning to dabble..and want to start off small until they can truly take full advantage of those motors and run twin HUGE turbochargers and run insane levels of HP.

Exactly. When you have 7-8 Liters to work with you physically cant fit a large enough single anywhere to make more power then a good-sized pair of twins. Supra's have the perfect turbo placement so when they go "Too" big they just cut a hole in the hood

Our TT C5 Z06 and even the pair of C6 Z06's we have in now for TT kits wouldnt work with a single set-up mostly due to lay-out. You physically just couldnt fit a large enough turbo to even keep up with the engine. You can of course stick one under the rear bumper (STS) but Im not a fan...

Oh, and our TT Z06 made 787rwhp at 11.5psi
Jeff

[SnakeSkinner]

Originally Posted by IttyBitty9Bees

.it's only a matter of time before a big single beats the twin turbo vr4 record.

I have been hearing that for at least the last 5 yrs.... there still is not a single turbo 3/s car even in the top 10....

Don’t get me wrong Single turbos can go fast, very fast. But to say that a single turbo "will always win" that’s really not backed up by the records in motor sports, other then in 4 banger cars, and Supra's here in the USA, mostly just because it’s cheep and easy to put a single turbo on a inline motor. In Japan must of the fast Supra's seem to be Twins also.

As for the "mid displacement" thing, What about Skylines? Look at the fastest lists for them thy are almost all twins, not singles.


There is more then one way to skin a cat, but this single VS twin thing is for the most part a "grass is always greener" complex.

[SnakeSkinner]

Originally Posted by IPSjeff

Oh, and our TT Z06 made 787rwhp at 11.5psi
Jeff

My Viper made 612 rwhp at 0 psi

[SnakeSkinner]

Originally Posted by IPSjeff

Exactly. When you have 7-8 Liters to work with you physically cant fit a large enough single anywhere to make more power then a good-sized pair of twins. Supra's have the perfect turbo placement so when they go "Too" big they just cut a hole in the hood

Jeff

on a pro drag car? You are talking about hand built cars that could place any sized turbo thy want. The fact remains that most of them are now running twins. So people can say "singles will always win" all thy want but it's really not backed up by the facts.

[IPSjeff]

Originally Posted by SnakeSkinner

My Viper made 612 rwhp at 0 psi

8 Liters >
10 Cylinders >

8 Cylinders + Boost > 10 Cylinders N/A

[IttyBitty9Bees]

Originally Posted by SnakeSkinner

on a pro drag car? You are talking about hand built cars that could place any sized turbo thy want. The fact remains that most of them are now running twins. So people can say "singles will always win" all thy want but it's really not backed up by the facts.

I actually have to agree with you there. Although singles HAVE proven to make HUGE HUGE numbers, what they can't prove is a one-sided argument. Supras, for example, are so saturated with the 'single-turbo solution', that other than a few really obscure products that involve 'upgraded twins', there's genuinely NO other car to compare to the big singles...the only thing to compare is the size of one big single to ANOTHER big single and in the most EXTREME pro drag application, 2jz's with TWIN big singles.

I have nothing but respect for the big single turbo setup...they have proven nothing BUT big numbers time after time after time after time again. You simply can't argue that, that is such a proven platform is utterly ridiculous.

However, my PERSONAL preference is twins. Matter of fact just today I got a 'rough quote' as to what to expect to take my evo 3 16g kit to the next level; 20g's. As of right now I'm no where near the full potential of my current twins, but I like to set goals. I plan ahead, I know at some point I will extinguish the limit of these turbos, most likely before the end of 2008.

with 20g's, a solid supporting platform, some bad ass tuning, and even a little luck, I should be QUITE competitive with single turbo ANYTHING (except for maybe Vipers...but with Vipers what's the point, they effortlessly destroy all). From what I understand, 800 awhp is NOT impossible with twin 20g's.....in a street setting....with all wheel drive..is ridiculous