Royal Purple Gets Called Out

[dunlop]

Mobil 1

Originally Posted by Comp-U-Geek

Again, not scientific in any way, but heres my story of using RP.

I bought a JDM engine in 2006. Didnt take it apart, didnt check ANYTHING out, didnt even remove a valve cover, just dropped it in and ran it. Ran it HARD for about 12k miles. Now the rings are starting to go and I tore it down to rebuild it. I have run RP 10w40 in this engine since the day I put the engine in the car (aside from the dyno oil I ran for the first 50mi to wash out any crud). Upon taking the engine apart, I have found it to be the cleanest engine I have EVER taken apart. It really is amazing how clean this thing is considering it was a JDM import. Now, again, I could have just gotten really damn lucky, and the RP could have had jack shit to do with how clean it is, but I personally like what I see.

Heres a couple pics I took to show you what I mean.

Chris

You tempt me on taking my valve cover off my DD .....168k and there is no goldish film

[RonStealth]

Originally Posted by Comp-U-Geek

Again, not scientific in any way, but heres my story of using RP.

I bought a JDM engine in 2006. Didnt take it apart, didnt check ANYTHING out, didnt even remove a valve cover, just dropped it in and ran it. Ran it HARD for about 12k miles. Now the rings are starting to go and I tore it down to rebuild it. I have run RP 10w40 in this engine since the day I put the engine in the car (aside from the dyno oil I ran for the first 50mi to wash out any crud). Upon taking the engine apart, I have found it to be the cleanest engine I have EVER taken apart. It really is amazing how clean this thing is considering it was a JDM import. Now, again, I could have just gotten really damn lucky, and the RP could have had jack shit to do with how clean it is, but I personally like what I see.

Heres a couple pics I took to show you what I mean.

Chris

Wouldn't the "rings starting to go" be more of an indication of the oil NOT doing its job than the cleanliness of the engine indicating otherwise?

[SkortchGT]

I'm glad they're being sued. I would never spend a dime on their oil simply because of their prices and deceptive advertising.

[darkkiller]

pepboys proline dyno oil ftmfw. i personally feel synthetics are over rated. car have ran fine for years on dyno oils, so i think synthetics are just a silly way to make more money. ive always ran dyno oil in all my cars. never had a problem, and im never going to change over to synthetics. now when we run out of fossil fuels i'm in trouble....

[bluemax_1]

First off folks, this isn't exactly a 'lawsuit' so you can stop tossing that term around. As IPO referenced, it's a similar situation to what Exxon-Mobil did. They petitioned/complained to the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Better Business Bureau, to block the company from advertising certain things.

In Exxon Mobil's case, the complaint was an attempt to stop Castrol from advertising their oils as "Fully Synthetic" because they claimed that Castrol used Grp III hydroisomerized mineral oils in its formulations which is simply a processed dino oil and not a TRUE synthetic like their (at the time) fully synthesized PolyAlphaOlefin formulations. The NAD ruled in favor of Castrol's argument, which was that the hydroisomerization process was intensive enough and changed the properties of the pre-processed oil enough that they COULD continue using the term "Fully Synthetic" in their advertising.

The result of the Exxon Mobil NAD petition (which pissed me and a lot of other folks off) was that Mobil, deciding that 'What's good for the goose is good for the gander' began quietly changing many of their formulations over to a Grp III hydrocracked base. Using a Grp III base is quite a bit cheaper than using a full PAO base. Although it's arguable that many Grp III hydrocracked formulations perform similarly to full PAO's in regular driving, there are still operating conditions where PAO formulations have an undeniable advantage.

For Mobil to whine about it and then to turn around and start doing the same thing quietly and especially, while keeping the product pricing exactly the same, is BS IMO. They could have dropped the pricing to reflect the reduction in their formulation costs. They could have made a new line of Mobil 1 oils that were cheaper than the full PAO M1 line, but no, they decided to use their status of championing the 'REAL Fully Synthetic oils' to keep folks thinking they would always be getting 'the real deal' and kept their prices up while making even more money off their products.

In THIS case with BP vs RP though, although the forum is the same (complaint to the NAD of the BBB), the complaint is actually not simply about semantics, this complaint is more along the lines of the Slick 50 (and other oil additive company) scandals, where they're claiming that the hyped up advertising is really nothing more than BS and after viewing the independent lab testing, the NAD has decided that the exaggerated claims ARE BS.

Originally Posted by RonStealth

Wouldn't the "rings starting to go" be more of an indication of the oil NOT doing its job than the cleanliness of the engine indicating otherwise?

Yeah, if the rings were in shitty condition already, you'ld think the car wouldn't have ran for 12k miles before needing the rebuild. I guess for some folks, how things LOOK is more important than how things might perform? Keeping things clean is only one small part of the equation. The oil's main job is lubrication and protection.

If I'm going to use a condom, I'd rather it stop most everything than have one that's glow-in-the-dark strawberry flavored that leaks/breaks or doesn't actually act as a barrier.


Max

[agentoblivious]

Amsoil FTW muahaha

If I'm going to use a condom, I'd rather it stop most everything than have one that's glow-in-the-dark strawberry flavored that leaks/breaks or doesn't actually act as a barrier.

You know what I don't get? Why someone would name a brand of condoms Trojan. Because to me trojan reminds me of the trojan horse....and who wants a condom with a trap door where *suprise!* its not a real condom its an invasion!

[beckerb]

Originally Posted by Polygon

Forgive me if this is a repost, but I ran a quick search and didn't find anything. It's worth a look. BP Lubricants is suing RP for fraudulent advertising, pretty much. I would bet that it's not a true synthetic and they're still using a group III hydrocracked base.



Truth in Advertising: BP v. Royal Purple

What a bunch of B.S. Normally when something like this happens there is more behind it then meets the eye. BP must be really worried about RP's impact on their brands. What is really funning is that BP has more money then dirt and RP is really a small company by comparison.

So what is the deal really ?? Like BP needs more money !!! Come on folks !!

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by beckerb

What a bunch of B.S. Normally when something like this happens there is more behind it then meets the eye. BP must be really worried about RP's impact on their brands. What is really funning is that BP has more money then dirt and RP is really a small company by comparison.

So what is the deal really ?? Like BP needs more money !!! Come on folks !!

You should read bluemax's post. I should have worded the OP differently as he's right, they aren't suing them. So, there's no money in this for BP. However, if RP is making BS claims then they need to be called on it and I think that's exactly what's going on. They are charging premium prices for a group III. I don't care what subjective "proof" people have to offer because I have such contradicting "proof" of my own that RP works no better than Mobil 1.

I'll be sending my last change or RP off to Blackstone pretty soon here and I'll post the results.

However, this is about premium prices based on false claims.

[Climber]

Originally Posted by Comp-U-Geek

Again, not scientific in any way, but heres my story of using RP.

I bought a JDM engine in 2006. Didnt take it apart, didnt check ANYTHING out, didnt even remove a valve cover, just dropped it in and ran it. Ran it HARD for about 12k miles. Now the rings are starting to go and I tore it down to rebuild it. I have run RP 10w40 in this engine since the day I put the engine in the car (aside from the dyno oil I ran for the first 50mi to wash out any crud). Upon taking the engine apart, I have found it to be the cleanest engine I have EVER taken apart. It really is amazing how clean this thing is considering it was a JDM import. Now, again, I could have just gotten really damn lucky, and the RP could have had jack shit to do with how clean it is, but I personally like what I see.

Heres a couple pics I took to show you what I mean.

Chris

That's what mine look like (just changed the VSS) and I only use Castrol Syntec.

Climber

[DigiiManDan3KGT]

I hate the oil arguement. argg