Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

Struggly · 04-30-2006, 11:17 AM

Here's my car, with custom lines and a Wilwood proportioning valve in the center console.

Below are small versions of 3 of many pictures. Go to the links below for full-size. I apologize in advance for the awkwardness and crappiness of some of the photos. There isn't exactly a lot of room to manipulate a camera in a lot of these places.

The new lines coming off the master cylinder (if you look down on the strut tower you can see the tee and the lines to the front left and right brake lines).

The Wilwood knob-style valve mounted where the cigarette lighter used to be.

The tee splitting the line originating at the prop valve and coming through the floorpan and along the driveshaft tunnel. These lead to the rear calipers.

3KGTTusch · 04-30-2006, 11:34 AM

What are the advantages of removing your abs?

AdamVR4 · 04-30-2006, 11:58 AM

Sweet! Thank you for doing this!

rexkwando · 04-30-2006, 12:01 PM

how long did it take you to do this?

VR-4ever · 04-30-2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3KGTTusch

What are the advantages of removing your abs?

weight/cleanliness

good work Clint.

Synchro · 04-30-2006, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3KGTTusch

What are the advantages of removing your abs?

You won't be forced to slam into the car in front of you when you try to apply the brakes on wet pavement and the ABS kicks in - causing your brakes to fail.

The ABS system on these cars is terrible. It's nearly caused me to wreck three times.

Thanks for the pictoral Struggly!

pyun · 04-30-2006, 12:11 PM

Awesome Clint! Thanks for the write up!

andyvr4 · 04-30-2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3KGTTusch

What are the advantages of removing your abs?

You can actually stop on slick surface. I diffentely agree with the other posts the abs on these cars suck from the factory. I've had mine disabled pretty much since I got the car.

Struggly · 04-30-2006, 05:00 PM

Thanks for the compliments.

I thought I'd post up a few more details about the delete. The lines are 90/10 copper nickel alloy, not stainless steel. (Most of you can probably tell that from the color, but anyway....

) They were not pre-bent of course, nor were they pre-flared; the copper/nickel line comes in 30 foot rolls. The line is very soft and can be bent by hand. I figured I'd use a spring bender to prevent kinking, but in the end I didn't use any bending tools.The line is forgiving enough that it actually tolerated some straightening and re-bending, and it likes extreme bend angles just fine, as you can see.

To make the lines, I used thick solder to make a line "template" (so to speak), then took it off the car and straightened it to get a length measurement. Then, after flaring a copper/nickel line of the proper length, I simply shoved it into place. I was able to do all my bending with the line in the car, which would have been impossible with conventional line.

A normal flaring tool will not work. For one, they don't make double flares. And, for another, the tees I used require bubble flares, which you can't accurately make with a normal flaring tool even if you're inventive. I used a bench mounted tool that clamps the line between two blocks and then presses a flaring die against the line end. It worked exceptionally well; all of the flares on those lines were made on the first try and none of them leaks after over 2000 miles of driving.

Brake pedal feel has definitely improved, which confirms my long-standing suspicion that the shittiness of the stock ABS contributed heavily to the poor pedal feel of the 3/S.

Clint

Jerggy13 · 04-30-2006, 05:45 PM

i need to do that..........

i have been running with the abs fuse pulled for about 3 years

04-30-2006, 11:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Struggly 3SX FTL Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chelmsford, MA Drives: Viciously Trader Rating: (5)	Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console Here's my car, with custom lines and a Wilwood proportioning valve in the center console. Below are small versions of 3 of many pictures. Go to the links below for full-size. I apologize in advance for the awkwardness and crappiness of some of the photos. There isn't exactly a lot of room to manipulate a camera in a lot of these places. The new lines coming off the master cylinder (if you look down on the strut tower you can see the tee and the lines to the front left and right brake lines). The Wilwood knob-style valve mounted where the cigarette lighter used to be. The tee splitting the line originating at the prop valve and coming through the floorpan and along the driveshaft tunnel. These lead to the rear calipers. More photos: Full size of master cylinder photo above: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...er1000x750.jpg Driver's side firewall. You can see the line going to the pass. front caliper: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ll1000x750.jpg Passenger side of engine bay/firewall. No more huge bundle lines going to ABS pump: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...sengerside.jpg Line turning through firewall right above shifter cables: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ghfirewall.jpg Now inside car, heading towards center console and prop. valve: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...hfirewall2.jpg Line heading to prop valve: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...opropvalve.jpg Proportioning valve mount: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl.../propvalve.jpg Turning down under e-brake cables and through floor: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ghfloorpan.jpg Full size of Underside of hump photo above: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...sideofhump.jpg From rear tee to rear caliper: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...driverrear.jpg Continued: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...riverrear2.jpg From tee to other rear caliper: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...sengerrear.jpg Continued: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...engerrear2.jpg Coming up into one wheelwell and joining SS flex line: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl.../wheelwell.jpg The knob: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ilwoodknob.jpg Clint Fralick __________________ The Pansy Patrol 1995 3000GT VR-4 but real niggaz don't give a fuck: V1, comprehensive denastificizzle, vishizzous accessory biznelt mod, K&N, Greddy Profec B S-P-to-tha-izzec II, S-AFC, Walbro 341, DSM 450s, n AEM UEGO; battery relocizzle K-R-to-tha-izzank Vents, EK2MFG fizzle rizzle loop n plenum spaca, lethal_vr4 manual gang bangin' rizzay, SKVR4 AWS delete, polyurethane motor mounts, adjustable control arms, SS brakes lines, n EGR blockoffs; Custom brakes lines wit cockpit-mounted adjustable proportion'n valve, 332mm Stoptechs, Carbotech Brotha Plus/Porterfield Rizzle ATE Pusha Blue, OZ Gang Bangin' F1 Plus 17x9.5 +36mm, Yokohama AVS ES100 275/40/17, Tein Fizzle w/EDFC n SCE Casta/Camba Plates, SCE oilpan, DSM sidemounts, DN Precat Eliminizzles 13G/9B combo (9psi springs), J-spec final drive, RPS flyhweel n Spec II clutch, IPO propane, ATR downpipe, tizzest pipe, n Single Shot 1994 Mazda Protege DX: 253K miles, DOHC 1.8L swap, rear disc brake conversion, poorly-designed header, some cheap-ass suspension upgrades, Carbotech Panther Plus, Miata wheels, other crap here and there, arguably the fastest piece of shit in New England and no one can do anything about it Last edited by Struggly : 12-22-2006 at 04:52 PM.

04-30-2006, 11:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
3KGTTusch Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: IN and OH Drives: Wishing Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console What are the advantages of removing your abs?

04-30-2006, 11:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
AdamVR4 TEXAS!! FIGHT!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: University of Texas Drives: NoCar XCase Test Car Trader Rating: (22)	Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console Sweet! Thank you for doing this! __________________ PEARL WHITE '93 VR-4 // Under Construction. Looking forward to lighting up the drag radials E16G's: 10.573 @ 135.01 (Trevor owns me ) E16G's: 11.28 @ 124.7 (Pure pump gas ET record ) 14B's: 11.10 @ 127.3 (AWD 14B ET record. Take THAT, Trev! ) 9B's: 12.78 @ 107.1 Still clinging to my spot in the top 10: DynamicRacing: US 3S Top 10 Fastest List

04-30-2006, 12:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
rexkwando chuck norris hater Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. Lewis, WA Drives: 98 vr4 Trader Rating: (6)	Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console how long did it take you to do this? __________________

04-30-2006, 12:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
pyun "The Fisherman" Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bergen County/Philly Drives: around scaring birds Trader Rating: (74)	Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console Awesome Clint! Thanks for the write up! __________________

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04-30-2006, 05:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Struggly 3SX FTL Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chelmsford, MA Drives: Viciously Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console Thanks for the compliments. I thought I'd post up a few more details about the delete. The lines are 90/10 copper nickel alloy, not stainless steel. (Most of you can probably tell that from the color, but anyway.... ) They were not pre-bent of course, nor were they pre-flared; the copper/nickel line comes in 30 foot rolls. The line is very soft and can be bent by hand. I figured I'd use a spring bender to prevent kinking, but in the end I didn't use any bending tools.The line is forgiving enough that it actually tolerated some straightening and re-bending, and it likes extreme bend angles just fine, as you can see. To make the lines, I used thick solder to make a line "template" (so to speak), then took it off the car and straightened it to get a length measurement. Then, after flaring a copper/nickel line of the proper length, I simply shoved it into place. I was able to do all my bending with the line in the car, which would have been impossible with conventional line. A normal flaring tool will not work. For one, they don't make double flares. And, for another, the tees I used require bubble flares, which you can't accurately make with a normal flaring tool even if you're inventive. I used a bench mounted tool that clamps the line between two blocks and then presses a flaring die against the line end. It worked exceptionally well; all of the flares on those lines were made on the first try and none of them leaks after over 2000 miles of driving. Brake pedal feel has definitely improved, which confirms my long-standing suspicion that the shittiness of the stock ABS contributed heavily to the poor pedal feel of the 3/S. Clint

04-30-2006, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jerggy13 Mitsu misplaced my turbos Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Drives: GranTurismoOmologato Trader Rating: (13)	Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console i need to do that.......... i have been running with the abs fuse pulled for about 3 years __________________