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Old 04-30-2006, 03:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console

Here's my car, with custom lines and a Wilwood proportioning valve in the center console.

Below are small versions of 3 of many pictures. Go to the links below for full-size. I apologize in advance for the awkwardness and crappiness of some of the photos. There isn't exactly a lot of room to manipulate a camera in a lot of these places.

The new lines coming off the master cylinder (if you look down on the strut tower you can see the tee and the lines to the front left and right brake lines).


The Wilwood knob-style valve mounted where the cigarette lighter used to be.


The tee splitting the line originating at the prop valve and coming through the floorpan and along the driveshaft tunnel. These lead to the rear calipers.


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Full size of master cylinder photo above:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...er1000x750.jpg
Driver's side firewall. You can see the line going to the pass. front caliper:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ll1000x750.jpg
Passenger side of engine bay/firewall. No more huge bundle lines going to ABS pump:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...sengerside.jpg
Line turning through firewall right above shifter cables:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ghfirewall.jpg
Now inside car, heading towards center console and prop. valve:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...hfirewall2.jpg
Line heading to prop valve:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...opropvalve.jpg
Proportioning valve mount:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl.../propvalve.jpg
Turning down under e-brake cables and through floor:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ghfloorpan.jpg
Full size of Underside of hump photo above:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...sideofhump.jpg
From rear tee to rear caliper:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...driverrear.jpg
Continued:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...riverrear2.jpg
From tee to other rear caliper:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...sengerrear.jpg
Continued:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...engerrear2.jpg
Coming up into one wheelwell and joining SS flex line:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl.../wheelwell.jpg
The knob:
http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...ilwoodknob.jpg

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Old 04-30-2006, 03:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What are the advantages of removing your abs?
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Old 04-30-2006, 03:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sweet! Thank you for doing this!
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how long did it take you to do this?
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Old 04-30-2006, 04:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
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What are the advantages of removing your abs?
weight/cleanliness

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What are the advantages of removing your abs?
You won't be forced to slam into the car in front of you when you try to apply the brakes on wet pavement and the ABS kicks in - causing your brakes to fail.

The ABS system on these cars is terrible. It's nearly caused me to wreck three times.

Thanks for the pictoral Struggly!
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Awesome Clint! Thanks for the write up!
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What are the advantages of removing your abs?
You can actually stop on slick surface. I diffentely agree with the other posts the abs on these cars suck from the factory. I've had mine disabled pretty much since I got the car.
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Default Re: Pics of full ABS delete: Custom lines and Wilwood prop valve in center console

Thanks for the compliments.

I thought I'd post up a few more details about the delete. The lines are 90/10 copper nickel alloy, not stainless steel. (Most of you can probably tell that from the color, but anyway.... ) They were not pre-bent of course, nor were they pre-flared; the copper/nickel line comes in 30 foot rolls. The line is very soft and can be bent by hand. I figured I'd use a spring bender to prevent kinking, but in the end I didn't use any bending tools.The line is forgiving enough that it actually tolerated some straightening and re-bending, and it likes extreme bend angles just fine, as you can see.

To make the lines, I used thick solder to make a line "template" (so to speak), then took it off the car and straightened it to get a length measurement. Then, after flaring a copper/nickel line of the proper length, I simply shoved it into place. I was able to do all my bending with the line in the car, which would have been impossible with conventional line.

A normal flaring tool will not work. For one, they don't make double flares. And, for another, the tees I used require bubble flares, which you can't accurately make with a normal flaring tool even if you're inventive. I used a bench mounted tool that clamps the line between two blocks and then presses a flaring die against the line end. It worked exceptionally well; all of the flares on those lines were made on the first try and none of them leaks after over 2000 miles of driving.

Brake pedal feel has definitely improved, which confirms my long-standing suspicion that the shittiness of the stock ABS contributed heavily to the poor pedal feel of the 3/S.

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Old 04-30-2006, 09:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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i need to do that..........

i have been running with the abs fuse pulled for about 3 years
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