My hype thread. Pushing the limits on E16g's and E85

[jtvr4]

As some of you may know, I made 506awhp with my IPS E16g's on pump 92. I now plan to find the limits of this kit with E85. I have went ahead with -8an fuel lines, an inline walbro fuel pump, PTE 1000cc injectors, and a high flow fuel filter.

To be honest, I have no idea how much power I will make. What are some of your thoughts or idea's? I am fully open to suggestions on this. My target dyno date is the first week of September. Not alot of time.

[xteekayx]

650awhp

[VR-4ever]

I feel that something should be done about the fuel rails, perhaps more components as well.

Al Corrosion-->Particles-->Clogged injectors-->Lean condition-->Boom.



The New Silverado: An Ethanol (E85) Conversion by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln

[Import Power]

Originally Posted by VR-4ever

I feel that something should be done about the fuel rails, perhaps more components as well.

Al Corrosion-->Particles-->Clogged injectors-->Lean condition-->Boom.



The New Silverado: An Ethanol (E85) Conversion by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln

E85 is not corrosive. Erron has used it in his 3S for 3 years, tore everything apart and even cut parts/lines in half and found no degradation.

As for his setup, One in tank and one inline pump I see a lack of fuel supply. Get two pumps in your tank or you are going to run out of fuel.

What heads, cams are you using?

-Chris

[jtvr4]

The heads have the following work
5 angle valve job
bowl grind
porting
polishing
swirl polished valves
factory 93 cams

I was under the impression an intake, and inline walbro would flow more than my
needs.

[Erron Spalsbury]

Originally Posted by Import Power

E85 is not corrosive. Erron has used it in his 3S for 3 years, tore everything apart and even cut parts/lines in half and found no degradation.

As for his setup, One in tank and one inline pump I see a lack of fuel supply. Get two pumps in your tank or you are going to run out of fuel.

What heads, cams are you using?

-Chris

On mine? Oh, ya, i'm just using one A1000 now. The suction from A1000 was so great that it cavated the HKS pump. LOL
Direct draw from the bottom of the tank with a -10 is all that's there now.

[Import Power]

Originally Posted by jtvr4

The heads have the following work
5 angle valve job
bowl grind
porting
polishing
swirl polished valves
factory 93 cams

I was under the impression an intake, and inline walbro would flow more than my
needs.

Not on E85
On gas/race gas yes.

[AdamVR4]

Originally Posted by jtvr4

As some of you may know, I made 506awhp with my IPS E16g's on pump 92. I now plan to find the limits of this kit with E85. I have went ahead with -8an fuel lines, an inline walbro fuel pump, PTE 1000cc injectors, and a high flow fuel filter.

To be honest, I have no idea how much power I will make. What are some of your thoughts or idea's? I am fully open to suggestions on this. My target dyno date is the first week of September. Not alot of time.

Man, over 500 AWHP on pump gas and 3300 lbs? Sounds like a freakin' carbon-copy of my car I'd imagine she's pretty fun! HAHA

I'll guess 700 AWHP. I'm not seeing any reason you can't make the same power Chris made (he limited himself to 30 psi, conservative ignition timing, and basically stock heads).

If you can make that amount of power, I'll be following suit when I have the money (and/or itch) for a new fuel system (stock lines own me).

[AdamVR4]

Originally Posted by VR-4ever

I feel that something should be done about the fuel rails, perhaps more components as well.

Al Corrosion-->Particles-->Clogged injectors-->Lean condition-->Boom.



The New Silverado: An Ethanol (E85) Conversion by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln

Table 1 -Corrosion of materials in the presence of
100% ethanol
[4]
Material
Compatibility Issue
(Penetration level of)
Aluminum
< 2 Mils/year up to 180°F
Brass
< 20 Mils/year up to 210°F
Bronze
< 20 Mils/year up to 400°F
Carbon Steel
< 20 Mils/year up to 230°F
Copper
< 20 Mils/year up to 110°F
Nickel
< 20 Mils/year up to 200°F
Type 304 S.S.
< 20 Mils/year up to 210°F
Type 316 S.S.
< 20 Mils/year up to 420°F
Titanium
< 2 Mils/year up to 200°F

However, the penetration of materials in contact
with ethanol is only half of the problem. Ethanol is most
corrosive acting as an electrolyte in a galvanic corrosion
environment. A galvanic series table should be consulted
in conjunction with Table 1. For example, aluminum
exhibits low penetration levels up to 180°F. However,
aluminum is anodic to most materials and will corrode in a
galvanic corrosion environment when in contact with a
second dissimilar metal.

Currently, there is no galvanic series table
indicating the activity/passivity of materials in a pure
ethanol or E85 environment. It is thus necessary to make
an assumption about the anodic/cathodic nature of various
materials in an ethanol environment based on a known
galvanic series in an environment such as seawater.


Component Changes for Compatibility

In order to develop a fully compatible ethanol fuel
system, each component was analyzed in terms of
corrosion penetration and galvanic corrosion. All
components were required to be constructed of stainless
steel or anodized aluminum and all seals were
flurohydrocarbon elastomers.

Therefore, it appears that if you get your fuel rails anodized inside and out and you'll be golden FOREVER. If anybody gets a quote on that, post it up!

[Erron Spalsbury]

Originally Posted by AdamVR4

Therefore, it appears that if you get your fuel rails anodized inside and out and you'll be golden FOREVER. If anybody gets a quote on that, post it up!

Adam, see my post on page 21 please.
707AWHP 620AWTQ Stock Heads Stock Cams Pump gas

The chart you posted is for E100. That's 199proof, or moonshine. It doesn't have any of the corrosion inhibitors that are in e85. Check out the link I posted on the other thread.