I bought a GTO...

[inperfectdarkness]

and that's why i'll be trusting only 3sx & IPT for that job.

NEVER take your project to a place that doesn't believe in it.

it's like hiring a lawyer who already thinks you're guilty.



and why do you suppose there aren't many parts available to mod them and make them stronger? oh wait....that's right. NAYSAYERS!!!!

[cbehnken]

Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

and that's why i'll be trusting only 3sx & IPT for that job.

NEVER take your project to a place that doesn't believe in it.

it's like hiring a lawyer who already thinks you're guilty.



and why do you suppose there aren't many parts available to mod them and make them stronger? oh wait....that's right. NAYSAYERS!!!!

That and an ATX sucks nuts on the street with a low displacement motor.

With a high enough stall to make the ATX really work for a 3.0 you end up with a tranny that is a bear to actually drive around. Ask almost anyone who put a high stall on their FWD cars about how much driveability you actually give up.

But I guess you can toss on a 6500 stall about like 3sx had when they gave up 10 MPH trap speed for good 60FTs if you want. Say goodbye to gas mileage, LOL.

[Kibwe Walker]

Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

we're not talking about "collectability". we're talking "availability". this atx tranny is widely available.

people buying a car for a dd aren't interested in how "collectable" the damn thing is. the loyal army of MTX zealots with their stickshift crammed so far up their asses that they can't even appreciate ANY atx...those are the people ruining motorsports.

you end up having to find an ATX buyer who doesn't care about shifting. someone like a female high-school senior whose parents are buying the car for her.

when i buy a vr4, the tranny is the first thing that goes up for sale...it's getting jdm atx awd.

That and the TT ecu I don't think the TT ecu can manipulte the AWD auto, then you would run into tuning problems since the NA ecu has a base tune for 210 cc inj's.

Means going larger than 450's leads to the same tuning problems TT owners get when they go larger than 720's. It can be done though but its a extensive and expensive process to make it work.

[inperfectdarkness]

that's 100% right, kibwe. and that's why my "project" will go AEM from the start. i have no desire to put a high-stall on it either (definately nothing above 3k rpms). the only thing a high-stall nets you is a good launch off power-braking. i'm more concerned about quick shifts, lower drive-train loss, etc. and i want to do it in an ATX.

if i had as much money as nelson...gear vendors would already be offering an over/underdrive for our atx. an 8-speed AWD ATX in a 3/s is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; imho. until that happens...it's my desire to push the ATX in my car--(with brute force $$$ if necessary) until i am happy with how i have it set. if that means that MICROSCOPIC sized atx-loving 3/s community finally benefits from my trailblazing...then so be it.

i have had it up to here with the idea that sedans are supposed to be ATX, and coupes are supposed to be MTX.

[AudibleSilence]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

You do realize how much money you will have to put into that ATX tranny in order for it to handle any sizeable amount of power?

AWD ATX trans are made for the NA engine, not a TT.

Around $5,000... (for the full IPT treatment+parts). ATX AWD trannies are pretty stout. They require MAJOR cooling modifications though.

[inperfectdarkness]

sounds good to me. hella easier than trying to get getrag 6-speed parts.

who knows, i may end up running FMIC for the turbos and 2x SMTC's for the tranny. i have a single tranny cooler on my fwd tt atx right now (had it since the rebuild 40k miles ago). my fluid gets changed religiously at 15k. it comes out looking as pink as pepto-bismal. i'd say i'm pretty confidant in the atx.

all the more reason to start from a ROLLING CHASSIS. i can build the engine to my specs; ditto for the tranny. i've seen a few of these "rolling chassis" (pretty much complete--minus engine/tranny) for ~1k on here. when the time is right, i'll strike.

[AudibleSilence]

Originally Posted by cbehnken

That and an ATX sucks nuts on the street with a low displacement motor.

With a high enough stall to make the ATX really work for a 3.0 you end up with a tranny that is a bear to actually drive around. Ask almost anyone who put a high stall on their FWD cars about how much driveability you actually give up.

But I guess you can toss on a 6500 stall about like 3sx had when they gave up 10 MPH trap speed for good 60FTs if you want. Say goodbye to gas mileage, LOL.

Show me an AWD ATX VR4 and a stock MTX VR4 and I'll show you an MTX that gets raped stop light to stop light all day long. You only need to go high stall when you have large ass turbos to keep them spooled. TD04/5 turbos = they spool low enough to not be a problem. There is less than .5psi drop between ATX shifts...keep that in mind. Boost only needs to be built, once.

[Kibwe Walker]

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

Show me an AWD ATX VR4 and a stock MTX VR4 and I'll show you an MTX that gets raped stop light to stop light all day long. You only need to go high stall when you have large ass turbos to keep them spooled. TD04/5 turbos = they spool low enough to not be a problem. There is less than .5psi drop between ATX shifts...keep that in mind. Boost only needs to be built, once.

Nothings free.

A auto will give you consistency at the cost of drivetrain loss and traps.

So a auto should be able to consistently hit the 60's that only the good to best manual drivers can hit 1.6's and 1.7's but I would guess you can shave off 2-4 mph at the end of the track.

How that plays out is anyones guess but a stock vr4 depending on year and model is a mid to high 13 second car on average. The lightest models (rt/tt, and MR), have touched flow 13's and 12's in stock form with good drivers. Also note that a AWD ATX is going to be heavier than its manual counter part. I remember Slguy telling me his FWD auto tranny was heavier than my AWD manual (he knows the specs), with that you gotta figure that the AWD auto has got to be even heavier.

Oh well, far be it from me to tell any of you what to like. You should know what you like and how to spend your money by now (I hope). Good luck on your projects.

[AudibleSilence]

Originally Posted by Kibwe Walker

Nothings free.

A auto will give you consistency at the cost of drivetrain loss and traps.

So a auto should be able to consistently hit the 60's that only the good to best manual drivers can hit 1.6's and 1.7's but I would guess you can shave off 2-4 mph at the end of the track.

How that plays out is anyones guess but a stock vr4 depending on year and model is a mid to high 13 second car on average. The lightest models (rt/tt, and MR), have touched flow 13's and 12's in stock form with good drivers. Also note that a AWD ATX is going to be heavier than its manual counter part. I remember Slguy telling me his FWD auto tranny was heavier than my AWD manual (he knows the specs), with that you gotta figure that the AWD auto has got to be even heavier.

Oh well, far be it from me to tell any of you what to like. You should know what you like and how to spend your money by now (I hope). Good luck on your projects.

Considering the ATX takes the driver's skill out of the equation it about equals out. A human will never be as fast as a computer. Stock for stock the ATX should win. In so far as weight, it's a variant of the 1g DSM AWD ATX Turbo trans with a 6G friendly bell housing. Do the math. : shrug :

[cbehnken]

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

Show me an AWD ATX VR4 and a stock MTX VR4 and I'll show you an MTX that gets raped stop light to stop light all day long. You only need to go high stall when you have large ass turbos to keep them spooled. TD04/5 turbos = they spool low enough to not be a problem. There is less than .5psi drop between ATX shifts...keep that in mind. Boost only needs to be built, once.

big difference between driving normally taking off hard from light and sitting there brake boosting before the light goes green.

But what the fuck ever, when we see more than one handful of AWD ATX's have ANY results, much less good results you can talk about how great they are.

Please show me how that atx can last even as long as a good clutch with a medium powered car. The ATX can't even hold the 200 HP NA's if you drive them hard.