Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[David_J]

Depends on the potential energy needed to disassoicate NH3 in comparison to H2O. My recollection is it is lower

Post your before and after test data and let's see what's cooking...hopefully, not your engine.

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

Yeah I am seriously doubting the major claims such as that but even if its possible to get 10% increase lol im going to be paying like 80-90$ a fill up

Judging by my calculations using the energy density of gaseous hydrogen (.0108MJ/L) at the rate you have given, and the energy density of gasoline (34.6MJ/L) at the rate it is used, you're looking at an increase of .2%(rounding up) energy over just using gasoline alone. I'd say that's about 250ft/gal more you will get. Less than a football field.

Note: All of my calculations assume ideal standard temperature/pressure conditions.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by David_J

Depends on the potential energy needed to disassoicate NH3 in comparison to H2O. My recollection is it is lower

Post your before and after test data and let's see what's cooking...hopefully, not your engine.

Haha yeah me too I wont be installing anything until I have the emanage ultimate/speed density, and all the gauges/monitoring

will have scanmaster 3 for wbo2/knock with my lc1
egt, volt,

already have boost, oil temp, oil pressure, water temp, fuel pressure. once all that is setup and running smooth then I will worry about this

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Judging by my calculations using the energy density of gaseous hydrogen (.0108MJ/L) at the rate you have given, and the energy density of gasoline (34.6MJ/L) at the rate it is used, you're looking at an increase of .2%(rounding up) energy over just using gasoline alone. I'd say that's about 250ft/gal more you will get. Less than a football field.

Note: All of my calculations assume ideal standard temperature/pressure conditions.

I think I will most likely do 6-8 cells as I don't think the 1-2 liters per minute is enough either. But 16 liters per minute would be much more substantial.

but the fact that the fuel is more fully burning is "supposed" to make the big difference in theory not the amount. I see what you are saying though it may do nothing

[3000GT_Rider]

I thought it took more energy to electrolisize water into H2 and 02 than would be gained? How can more economy be gained from an energy negative process?

First law of thermodynamics:
"Energy can not be created or destroyed...."

It is taking X amount of energy to break the bond of h20. Where does that X come from? Driving the alternator. Since machines are not 100% efficent, and there are frictional and electrical losses it seems more energy is put into the system than can be netted out of the system. Anyone care to elaborate on this?

[drone007]

not to mention his sig video is racist as hell

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

I think I will most likely do 6-8 cells as I don't think the 1-2 liters per minute is enough either. But 16 liters per minute would be much more substantial.

Keep in mind that even 16L/min is still EXTREMELY minuscule in comparison to the volume of air already entering your engine.
Just wondering where you are going to get 6-8 times the energy? Do you plan on storing 6-8 extra batteries in your trunk?

As far as the ammonia question. I'm pretty sure the H2 output would be similar to the NaOH and KOH, since NH3 dissociates to NH4+OH when mixed with water. Plus commercially available ammonia is already very dilute. I would also suggest against it because ammonium hydroxide is a volatile compound and will release corrosive ammonia into your engine.

[zba857]

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(my avatar isn't racist... its nazi-schumacherist )

[David_J]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Judging by my calculations using the energy density of gaseous hydrogen (.0108MJ/L) at the rate you have given, and the energy density of gasoline (34.6MJ/L) at the rate it is used, you're looking at an increase of .2%(rounding up) energy over just using gasoline alone. I'd say that's about 250ft/gal more you will get. Less than a football field.

Note: All of my calculations assume ideal standard temperature/pressure conditions.

They aren't claiming that the extra power is coming from burning the H2 directly. They say that it increases the efficiency of burning the gasoline.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by drone007

not to mention his sig video is racist as hell

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I didn't really think it was racist its just silly/funny do you have an issue with it?