Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by vr4operator

I've been interested in solar, hydrothermal, hydrogen, etc power for a long time. Even solar, as long as its been around is still not widely used, and no one out there can say it doesn't actually work, and its free (well, after equipment and installation costs, lol).
Butch

For an automotive use I still think the best alternative is the hydrogen fuel cell. We have already concluded that hydrogen is easy to produce via electrolysis, and we could easily use solar cells to power the production of hydrogen. Picture this: Instead of having refineries around the country producing gasoline which needs to be transported to gas stations, each station will produce its own hydrogen (for larger cities there can be separate hydrogen production facilities in order to meet the demands of a larger population). California already has hydrogen cell cars on the road and I believe Honda plans to have 1 million in production by the end of 2009.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by vr4operator

Heres my last two bits...I think.
Firstly, we know we need a different source of energy. We free oil countries so they can turn on us and raise the price of oil. Ask anyone who's been over there. there are literally thousands of sand-banked pools of oil in Kuwait alone not being used. But thats a different discussion.
Secondly, the new corn based fuel that everyones going apeshit about is all smoke and mirrors. It actually takes more fossil fuels to produce the corn-based than if we just continue using oil. Why? Simple. The demand for corn goes up (because now we need it for fuel, along with eating it), so more corn is grown. Well, how do you harvest the corn? With tractors and machinery run on fossil fuels. And then guess what takes it from the farm to the conversion plant? A fossil fueled rig. Its already been proven that is not a real fix, but it get people to look over there while in the end it will fail. Thats proven and yet its not publicized. All the candidates talk about how great it is, but either they are being fed bullshit or they are riding the eco-green train for votes.
I've been interested in solar, hydrothermal, hydrogen, etc power for a long time. Even solar, as long as its been around is still not widely used, and no one out there can say it doesn't actually work, and its free (well, after equipment and installation costs, lol). So, until its been absolutely proven to not work, I keep an open mind. Its easy to argue it won't work, but I applaud DANTHEVR4MAN for at least trying. Hopefully he'll video the build and testing, cause i know i'm interested in the results.
Good Luck!

Butch

Thanks yeah we will see how it goes :P I am going to pick through the different designs and try to pick the best one to mess with. Once I have my emanage ultimate hooked up near the end of the month Just breaking in the rebuild engine/New 19tHL's. Once thats done I will give it a go, and let you know how it turns out.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by VR4Drive92

hahahahahaha that's some funny shit.

Let it be known that the SAE I am referring to is indeed the Society of Automotive Engineers.

the SAE is controls more than oil


Dan....the reason that I said that the hydrogen would need to be introduced before the turbo is because i assumed the hydrogen system utilized the lower gauge pressure differential to draw the hydrogen into the intake. I"m not sure on the injection method but if it were just an open line then when you hit boost you won't get any hydrogen flow.

It would be by its own pressure essentially into the y-pipe would that be an issue ?

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

People use baking soda either because:
a) it is already just laying around their house.
b) they are too stupid to know that NaOH and KOH are better and are both readily available at hobby/plumbing/hardware stores.

I was reading about NaOH as well are there any harmful gases created using this or would it degrade the cathode at a much faster rate ?.

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

I was reading about NaOH as well are there any harmful gases created using this or would it degrade the cathode at a much faster rate ?.

No harmful gases from NaOH. If I remember correctly the reason NaHCO3 is a poor choice compared to the hydroxides is because the reaction is something like 2NaHCO3 --> H20 + Na2CO3 + CO2 and you will be producing H2 and CO2, with virtually all of your H2 coming from the water. With the hydroxides, you will be gaining some H2 from them as well and this will increase your output, but not by much. There are even better choices than the hydroxides, but they are harder to obtain and more expensive.

As for the electrodes, don't use steel. I suggest platinum, they will last a long long time, steel will last a few hours.
You can buy them here:
ELECTRODE PAIR, PLATINUM, SPARE

If you want something cheaper, you can also try graphite, although it won't hold up as well as the platinum.

[mess]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

Its a free country isn't it if your not interested or have any facts to disprove it don't post

Water-fuelled car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If I could REP you down more than once I would. This shit is so fucking retarded it doesn't even deserve my breath.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by mess

Water-fuelled car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If I could REP you down more than once I would. This shit is so fucking retarded it doesn't even deserve my breath.

Rep me down what is your problem have I wronged you in some way. That is real mature .All i did was start a thread to talk about something I thought was interesting. You should be the one receiving the negative rep but I wont stoop to doing something that ridiculous if its not worth your breath why are you reading it or writing in the thread. Take your own advice

[David_J]

Perpetual motion machine. The car's battery is used to disassociate 2-H2O into 2-H2 and 1-O2. You then inject this mixture into your car, which charges the battery and somehow gives you more energy back than you had to start with. Sorry but you just violated a few laws of thermodynamics and caused several of my Berzerkeley professors to spin in their graves (Glenn Seaborg et al).

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by David_J

Perpetual motion machine. The car's battery is used to disassociate 2-H2O into 2-H2 and 1-O2. You then inject this mixture into your car, which charges the battery and somehow gives you more energy back than you had to start with. Sorry but you just violated a few laws of thermodynamics and caused several of my Berzerkeley professors to spin in their graves (Glenn Seaborg et al).

Someone else's reasoning why he "says" it will work I will see for myself

the faster burn is most likely due to the presence of nascent (atomic) hydrogen and nascent oxygen, which initiate a chain reaction. I now completely agree. Electrolysis produces “nascent” hydrogen, and oxygen, which may or may not reach the engine as nascent. It is more probable that high temperature in the combustion chamber breaks down the oxygen and hydrogen molecules into free radicals (i.e. nascent). The chain reaction initiated by those free radicals will cause a simultaneous ignition of all the primary fuel. As it all ignites at once, no flame front can exist and without it there is no pressure wave to create knock.

[David_J]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

Someone else's reasoning why he "says" it will work I will see for myself

the faster burn is most likely due to the presence of nascent (atomic) hydrogen and nascent oxygen, which initiate a chain reaction. I now completely agree. Electrolysis produces “nascent” hydrogen, and oxygen, which may or may not reach the engine as nascent. It is more probable that high temperature in the combustion chamber breaks down the oxygen and hydrogen molecules into free radicals (i.e. nascent). The chain reaction initiated by those free radicals will cause a simultaneous ignition of all the primary fuel. As it all ignites at once, no flame front can exist and without it there is no pressure wave to create knock.

The definition of "nascent" in this context is "of the state of an element at the time it is generated from some compound." So, really that adds nothing to the technical discussion. Any comment that H2 is disassociated into H+ after electrolysis is not consistent with the facts. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles disassociate natural gas to get H2 at very high temperatures and then mix in air to form the exothermic reaction to drive the vehicle + H2O. So, there is no way the temperature in a gasoline engine is going to create any H+. While I have no comment about whether adding H2 to the air fuel mixture would improve combustion, the explanation of what's going on just flies in the face of science.