Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Irregardless we will see if it works or not, and I will post my findings if its a big fraud and thousands of people are doing and posting there video's and going out of there way to create these systems, and publicly traded company's are wasting there time selling them. Then I will have wasted my time and a few hundred $, and I will then admit that it does not work and eat my words. I do not pretend to know how it works but if people can create motors that completely run on water I dont see why it cant help one running on both. If you have done it and have the proof that is doesnt work then by all means post it

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by Beau_Jester

"Yes, the devices do use electrical power from the engine that is ultimately created by the fossil fuel, but the gain in efficiency of the engine exceeds the energy loss from generating the hydrogen-oxygen mix."

I challenge this device as impractical and cannot possibly make enough O2 or H using electolysis and a 12volt to 15 volt source. The volume and speed of production is not there.

As an experiment: get a large plastic tub of water, 2 mayonaise jars, a car battery, some copper stranded electrical wire.

1. Fill the jars with water and invert them inside the large tub of water with the mouths down as to make a water seal.

2. Cut several pieces of wire to go from the anode and cathode of the battery with one wire going into each jar (+ jar 1 and - jar 2). Only strip the wire exposed inside the jars..not outside..and at the battery connection.

3. Observe electrolysis in action. One jar will begin to fill with O2 and the other H. There will be twice the volume of H (H2 0 = water).

5. Use a clock to time how long it takes to fill each jar and then calculate the volume of gas produced and then tell me if this is practical.

I dont think there is enough surface area to create near enough in that application some of the ones in the first page are making enough to sustane a flame

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

I dont think there is enough surface area to create near enough in that application some of the ones in the first page are making enough to sustane a flame

Surface area is not a variable as to how much H2 is produced. A cathode with a surface area of 100in^2 is NOT going to produce more hydrogen than one with only 10in^2.
You just keep failing left and right.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

I am not going to battle anyone I do not have much scientific knowledge on the subject I am just going by what I am seeing and reading, and other peoples findings what you take from them is your own. It is way too time consuming

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Surface area is not a variable as to how much H2 is produced. A cathode with a surface area of 100in^2 is NOT going to produce more hydrogen than one with only 10in^2.
You just keep failing left and right.

maybe it is the number of plates I know that different people running the same amount of power are getting completely different production

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

maybe it is the number of plates I know that different people running the same amount of power are getting completely different production

The only way to get a different amount of production from the same amount of power would be to decrease the resistance through the water. This is what the electrolyte is for, and you can only go so far. This is why Sodium Bicarbonate is a poor choice as an electrolyte.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

The only way to get a different amount of production from the same amount of power would be to decrease the resistance through the water. This is what the electrolyte is for, and you can only go so far. This is why Sodium Bicarbonate is a poor choice as an electrolyte.

I am assuming people use it because its so readily available but I do not know. I know I have seen many different setups and allmost all use bakingsoda, water, and run it off a car battery or other 12volt source and they have completely different prodoction results. between the nomber of negative/ positive plates, and size. with the same electrolyte. I do not know why

[DBLerman]

People use baking soda either because:
a) it is already just laying around their house.
b) they are too stupid to know that NaOH and KOH are better and are both readily available at hobby/plumbing/hardware stores.

[VR4Drive92]

Originally Posted by Bushroot

Haha. This reminded me of something i came across reading the wiki a while back. You may wish to be more specific as the group member you want to get behind I'm guessing you were not referring to the drunk frat boys though.

Wiki says:::::

SAE may refer to:

Soviet Antarctic Expedition
Scientific Audio Electronics
3GPP System Architecture Evolution
Space Age Electronics
Supervised Agricultural Experience
Sae, a J-pop singer
a serious adverse event in a clinical trial

[edit] Organizations
SAE - World Council of Hellenes Abroad
Society of Automotive Engineers, and their associated standards for motor oils
(in relation to tool sizing see "Standard" and "Imperial"; different from Metric tool sizing but pertaining to same use)
SAE Institute (formerly the School of Audio Engineering)
Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity
Stichting Academisch Erfgoed, a Dutch organization

[edit] Esoteric Shorthand
Sexual Assault Evidence kit, in Forensics
Standard American English or Southern American English, in Linguistics
A Stamped addressed envelope in the United Kingdom
Studies of society and the environment

hahahahahaha that's some funny shit.

Let it be known that the SAE I am referring to is indeed the Society of Automotive Engineers.

the SAE is controls more than oil


Dan....the reason that I said that the hydrogen would need to be introduced before the turbo is because i assumed the hydrogen system utilized the lower gauge pressure differential to draw the hydrogen into the intake. I"m not sure on the injection method but if it were just an open line then when you hit boost you won't get any hydrogen flow.

[vr4operator]

Heres my last two bits...I think.
Firstly, we know we need a different source of energy. We free oil countries so they can turn on us and raise the price of oil. Ask anyone who's been over there. there are literally thousands of sand-banked pools of oil in Kuwait alone not being used. But thats a different discussion.
Secondly, the new corn based fuel that everyones going apeshit about is all smoke and mirrors. It actually takes more fossil fuels to produce the corn-based than if we just continue using oil. Why? Simple. The demand for corn goes up (because now we need it for fuel, along with eating it), so more corn is grown. Well, how do you harvest the corn? With tractors and machinery run on fossil fuels. And then guess what takes it from the farm to the conversion plant? A fossil fueled rig. Its already been proven that is not a real fix, but it get people to look over there while in the end it will fail. Thats proven and yet its not publicized. All the candidates talk about how great it is, but either they are being fed bullshit or they are riding the eco-green train for votes.
I've been interested in solar, hydrothermal, hydrogen, etc power for a long time. Even solar, as long as its been around is still not widely used, and no one out there can say it doesn't actually work, and its free (well, after equipment and installation costs, lol). So, until its been absolutely proven to not work, I keep an open mind. Its easy to argue it won't work, but I applaud DANTHEVR4MAN for at least trying. Hopefully he'll video the build and testing, cause i know i'm interested in the results.
Good Luck!

Butch