Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

? 8503.4cc/sec of fuel eh so your gas tank lasts about 9 seconds

8503.4cc/sec is like 8.5 liters a sec I seriously doubt there is that much fuel going into the engine lol

Ugh..... Fuel is atomized as it enters the combustion chamber. Physics owns you.

[ras463us]

Where to start with this...

First to get the chemical reaction your trying to get you need to use Sodium Carbonate, not Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda). If you raise the temp on baking soda over 300 F long enough it will release enough carbon atoms to basically convert, but it's not the same thing.

I'm sure I can rip a few other holes into this theory, but I don't even feel like taking the time to even read this.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Ugh..... Fuel is atomized as it enters the combustion chamber. Physics owns you.

Well I am not a physicist I see something working and other people using it when its done and it still doesnt work then I will concede defeat and not talk about the topic any longer.

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[DANTHEVR4MAN]

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[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by ras463us

Where to start with this...

First to get the chemical reaction your trying to get you need to use Sodium Carbonate, not Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda). If you raise the temp on baking soda over 300 F long enough it will release enough carbon atoms to basically convert, but it's not the same thing.

I'm sure I can rip a few other holes into this theory, but I don't even feel like taking the time to even read this.

Well there are hundreds of videos of people doing this with baking soda and water and igniting the hydrogen that is produced

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Ugh..... Fuel is atomized as it enters the combustion chamber. Physics owns you.

What then happens to hydrogen when it enters the combustion chamber ?


but what I am saying is that if that is the amount of fuel atomized that is not the amount of fuel that is going in so you cannot gauge it to the amount of hydrogen going in because you dont know how large or a quantity or if it is atomized as well right

Someone elses words on the subject
the faster burn is most likely due to the presence of nascent (atomic) hydrogen and nascent oxygen, which initiate a chain reaction. I now completely agree. Electrolysis produces “nascent” hydrogen, and oxygen, which may or may not reach the engine as nascent. It is more probable that high temperature in the combustion chamber breaks down the oxygen and hydrogen molecules into free radicals (i.e. nascent). The chain reaction initiated by those free radicals will cause a simultaneous ignition of all the primary fuel. As it all ignites at once, no flame front can exist and without it there is no pressure wave to create knock.

[ras463us]

Next..

The eletrolysis reaction your referencing has been used for years to strip rust of of metals. People who have used this process are having to quit the use of stainless steel electrodes. Why? Stainless steel contains chromium. The electrodes, and thus the chromium is consumed during the electrolysis, and you end up with chromates in your electrolyte. Hexavalent chromate is poisonous and can cause severe skin problems and ultimately, cancer. Dumping these on the ground or down the drain is illegal. These compounds are not excused from hazardous waste regulations where household wastes are.
These compounds are bad enough that government regulations mandate "elimination of hexavalent chromate by 2007 for corrosion protection."

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

but what I am saying is that if that is the amount of fuel atomized that is not the amount of fuel that is going in

What the hell are you talking about!? That is EXACTLY the amount of fuel going in!

so you cannot gauge it to the amount of hydrogen going in because you dont know how large or a quantity

I know the exact quantity, you stated it already! 1-2L per minute!

or if it is atomized as well right

HYDROGEN IS A GAS! Are you in 3rd grade???

Here is the math to make it simple for you to understand. We are not dealing with liquids anywhere in this equation.
~125,000cc/second of air and fuel. This comes out to about ~116,000cc of atmosphere and ~9000cc of atomized fuel per second. Hydrogen rate you stated was ~1-2L/min. That would be between 17 and 34cc/sec that would be entering your engine.

How on earth can you believe 17-34cc of H2 would give you any significant gain in energy or efficiency? You're only increasing you're fuel by .1%

[Beau_Jester]

"Yes, the devices do use electrical power from the engine that is ultimately created by the fossil fuel, but the gain in efficiency of the engine exceeds the energy loss from generating the hydrogen-oxygen mix."

I challenge this device as impractical and cannot possibly make enough O2 or H using electolysis and a 12volt to 15 volt source. The volume and speed of production is not there.

As an experiment: get a large plastic tub of water, 2 mayonaise jars, a car battery, some copper stranded electrical wire.

1. Fill the jars with water and invert them inside the large tub of water with the mouths down as to make a water seal.

2. Cut several pieces of wire to go from the anode and cathode of the battery with one wire going into each jar (+ jar 1 and - jar 2). Only strip the wire exposed inside the jars..not outside..and at the battery connection.

3. Observe electrolysis in action. One jar will begin to fill with O2 and the other H. There will be twice the volume of H (H2 0 = water).

5. Use a clock to time how long it takes to fill each jar and then calculate the volume of gas produced and then tell me if this is practical.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by ras463us

Next..

The eletrolysis reaction your referencing has been used for years to strip rust of of metals. People who have used this process are having to quit the use of stainless steel electrodes. Why? Stainless steel contains chromium. The electrodes, and thus the chromium is consumed during the electrolysis, and you end up with chromates in your electrolyte. Hexavalent chromate is poisonous and can cause severe skin problems and ultimately, cancer. Dumping these on the ground or down the drain is illegal. These compounds are not excused from hazardous waste regulations where household wastes are.
These compounds are bad enough that government regulations mandate "elimination of hexavalent chromate by 2007 for corrosion protection."

At what type of extreme voltage/amp would that process be even when that chemical is present in arc welding they were not able to find any connection to cancer but I would seriously doubt that 16amps/12volts would create dangerous levels of that chemical