Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[vr4operator]

Heres my take. Its not a new alternative, its just not been looked deeply into by the big agencies. How many laughed at hybrids when they first came out? Only had like 40 or 70 hp right? Next year Toyota releases a 400+hp hybrid. Won't be laughing when he dusts yer ass, lol.
I watched this old retired science professor on Discovery awhile back. Hes getting a patent on an engine that runs on water. Everyone heard that old story, but this guy figured out a chemical mix that when water is added, produces a flame hotter than a plasma torch! They showed his car that runs using the system, no gas at all.
Will these work? I think they can def help. Will they do it for us with high performance (and finiky engine) cars? Who can tell. But we def won't find out if people always put it down. remember, the world is flat and theres no military use for the wright brothers invention...
good luck to all who look outside the box!!!

Butch

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

no it stays at the same voltage that is the idea.

Umm... This would violate Faraday's laws of electrolysis

125l/sec how little of that is actual fuel if you were to go by that assumption then the gasoline wouldnt do anything either how much actual gas is entering the engine the amount of air that enters has nothing to do with it.

Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even know how combustion works? The amount of air that enters the engine has EVERYTHING to do with it. In order for combustion to occur there must be a stoic ratio of air and fuel.

Did you even read the first page with like 6 quotes from different scientists explaining why it works.

Then it MUST be true

[Bushroot]

Originally Posted by VR4Drive92

When it is SAE (member) approved. I'll support it then.

Haha. This reminded me of something i came across reading the wiki a while back. You may wish to be more specific as the group member you want to get behind I'm guessing you were not referring to the drunk frat boys though.

Wiki says:::::

SAE may refer to:

Soviet Antarctic Expedition
Scientific Audio Electronics
3GPP System Architecture Evolution
Space Age Electronics
Supervised Agricultural Experience
Sae, a J-pop singer
a serious adverse event in a clinical trial

[edit] Organizations
SAE - World Council of Hellenes Abroad
Society of Automotive Engineers, and their associated standards for motor oils
(in relation to tool sizing see "Standard" and "Imperial"; different from Metric tool sizing but pertaining to same use)
SAE Institute (formerly the School of Audio Engineering)
Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity
Stichting Academisch Erfgoed, a Dutch organization

[edit] Esoteric Shorthand
Sexual Assault Evidence kit, in Forensics
Standard American English or Southern American English, in Linguistics
A Stamped addressed envelope in the United Kingdom
Studies of society and the environment

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Umm... This would violate Faraday's laws of electrolysis



Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even know how combustion works? The amount of air that enters the engine has EVERYTHING to do with it. In order for combustion to occur there must be a stoic ratio of air and fuel.



Then it MUST be true

that law well Stan meyer did it with a pwm power wave modulater. and they were not able to disprove it.

Thermo1.com - Alternative Energy Solutions

I realize the air is important but you are including the air in your liter per minute analysis of why it doesn't work. We are talking about hydrogen injection here which is a fuel not oxygen injection so what does it have to do with it. How much of that is actual fuel in your liter per minute numbers that you are comparing to the hho's output of gas.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Adding a hydrogen-oxygen mix to the fuel system in an internal combustion engine increases the combustion of the gasoline (or diesel) due to the high volatility/BTU of hydrogen-oxygen mix. This can be compared to putting a super high grade of gasoline in your engine. You get better overall performance, increased horsepower and gas mileage. Yes, the devices do use electrical power from the engine that is ultimately created by the fossil fuel, but the gain in efficiency of the engine exceeds the energy loss from generating the hydrogen-oxygen mix. The increase in horsepower and gas mileage comes from better combustion of the gasoline, which the hydrogen-oxygen mix helps to achieve. Only about 15% of the available energy in gasoline is converted to mechanical energy in an internal combustion engine. Better combustion means more of the available energy in the gasoline is converted to mechanical energy and that has nothing to do with creating energy or violating any laws of thermodynamics!

It is true that you can not generate enough HHO (hydrogen-oxygen mix) with an onboard hydrolysis system to run the engine exclusively with HHO, but that does not mean you can not increase your gas mileage by 30 to 50 percent! Thousands of people are! They use hydrogen boost systems because they work!

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

How much of that is actual fuel in your liter per minute numbers that you are comparing to the hho's output of gas.

8503.4cc/sec of fuel.
How do you not see that 17cc/sec of H2 will do nothing???

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by vr4operator

Heres my take. Its not a new alternative, its just not been looked deeply into by the big agencies. How many laughed at hybrids when they first came out? Only had like 40 or 70 hp right? Next year Toyota releases a 400+hp hybrid. Won't be laughing when he dusts yer ass, lol.
I watched this old retired science professor on Discovery awhile back. Hes getting a patent on an engine that runs on water. Everyone heard that old story, but this guy figured out a chemical mix that when water is added, produces a flame hotter than a plasma torch! They showed his car that runs using the system, no gas at all.
Will these work? I think they can def help. Will they do it for us with high performance (and finiky engine) cars? Who can tell. But we def won't find out if people always put it down. remember, the world is flat and theres no military use for the wright brothers invention...
good luck to all who look outside the box!!!

Butch

Thanks Vr4operator for the support I dont know how well they will work with our setup either
but its worth a try a few hundred dollars, and I can have a decent setup if it works great if it doesn't. Oh no the world is going to end. There are thousands of people with these setups and literally hundreds of videos on youtube about it. I tend to think that many people some of which are engineers are just retarded, and all the interest and money that has been put into it is for a hoax.

GM has about 30 prototype hydrogen vehicles, and has put millions into the research, and these cars run completely on hydrogen . Why is it so hard to believe that hydrogen can make a car that runs on gasoline more efficient.

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

Why is it so hard to believe that hydrogen can make a car that runs on gasoline more efficient.

BECAUSE OF THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!
On-board hydrogen generators would consume more energy than you will gain back from H2 combustion. I don't know how to explain this in a more simpler way.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

8503.4cc/sec of fuel.
How do you not see that 17cc/sec of H2 will do nothing???

? 8503.4cc/sec of fuel eh so your gas tank lasts about 9 seconds

8503.4cc/sec is like 8.5 liters a sec I seriously doubt there is that much fuel going into the engine lol

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

GM has about 30 prototype hydrogen vehicles, and has put millions into the research, and these cars run completely on hydrogen

Link please?
Most likely you're talking about hydrogen fuel cell, these are not the same as internal combustion engines.