Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[mess]

I am so sick of seeing this shit.

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[Polygon]

Originally Posted by mikes2nd

can we ban these guys advertising? or at least make em pay for advertising their bs products.

Xado and hydrogen bs generators... are bs...

NO!

I tried Xado and made my lifter tick go away and it basically made all the bearings, rings, and journals like new. No need for a rebuild. I also had the car on a dyno and it gained 40HP and now it gets like 30MPG!

This crap works!11!!1

[DBLerman]

Ugh.... This thing again? Please refer to my posts in this thread:
"Water4Gas" eh

[VR4Drive92]

Due to the thread maker's wishes. I will not bash this concept. I will however point out that there are some severe inaccuracies in some of the reasoning that was posted. Particularly in the hydrogen flame front with the free radicals and in the description of the thermal efficiency of the motor, among numberous other things.

I will also warn anyone trying this to be careful in using this on a turbocharged application. Since the hydrogen gas will have to be introduced into the system before the turbo, one must take consideration with that you are doing.

We engineers have been at this since the late 70's. There are up sides and down sides as there are in everything. When it is SAE (member) approved. I'll support it then.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by VR4Drive92

Due to the thread maker's wishes. I will not bash this concept. I will however point out that there are some severe inaccuracies in some of the reasoning that was posted. Particularly in the hydrogen flame front with the free radicals and in the description of the thermal efficiency of the motor, among numberous other things.

I will also warn anyone trying this to be careful in using this on a turbocharged application. Since the hydrogen gas will have to be introduced into the system before the turbo, one must take consideration with that you are doing.

We engineers have been at this since the late 70's. There are up sides and down sides as there are in everything. When it is SAE (member) approved. I'll support it then.

Thanks for the constructive info the turbo application. The information I posted previously were quotes from several scientists on the subject I do not know all the sciences behind it all. But I have seen it work, and people are seeing major gains from it more so than anything else I have seen so far researching meth, propane, alcohol etc. Can you explain why it would have to be injected before the turbo's I was under the impression that meth and such was injected into the intake.

Edit. If it is because of the minerals that you are saying this there is a flashback arrester, and they use demineralized water to prevent iron and such from getting into the engine

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by mess

I am so sick of seeing this shit.

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Its a free country isn't it if your not interested or have any facts to disprove it don't post

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Ugh.... This thing again? Please refer to my posts in this thread:
"Water4Gas" eh

The HHO generator in your post from that water4gas ebook would definately never work it is the ghettoest HHO generator I have ever seen it would never create enough HHO to make a difference the ones that people are creating today are much more advanced than that. And with a PWM you can create the same amount of hydrogen with less than half the amps.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by mikes2nd

can we ban these guys advertising? or at least make em pay for advertising their bs products.

Xado and hydrogen bs generators... are bs...

I still dont understand where in the world the advertising even is the one site i put a link for that has info on the topic just happens to recommend it and has info on it on there site. When did I ever even mention it in my thread I havent talked about it once until now. I have no idea if this xado stuff works. But the hydrogen I have seen work. There are a bunch of forklifts at the GM plant that run purely on the stuff. This is just supplemental obviously but it does burn very well and they can produce a decent amount if you have a proper setup

[DBLerman]

Originally Posted by DANTHEVR4MAN

The HHO generator in your post from that water4gas ebook would definately never work it is the ghettoest HHO generator I have ever seen it would never create enough HHO to make a difference the ones that people are creating today are much more advanced than that.

Electrolysis is electrolysis no matter how you look at it. The "more advanced" devices do the EXACT SAME THING, they just look "more advanced."

Even making 1-2L/min, you're engine flows close to 125L/sec at 2500RPM. That is 125,000cc of air going into your engine every second, do you really think 17cc/sec of H2 is going to magically give you 60mpg?!

And with a PWM you can create the same amount of hydrogen with less than half the amps.

Ok, so what? Lower current would just require a greater voltage to produce the same amount of H2, you are not gaining anything.

Hang around a few chemistry and physics forums for a while and see how often this topic comes up. It's a complete joke.

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by DBLerman

Electrolysis is electrolysis no matter how you look at it. The "more advanced" devices do the EXACT SAME THING, they just look "more advanced."

Even making 1-2L/min, you're engine flows close to 125L/sec at 2500RPM. That is 125,000cc of air going into your engine every second, do you really think 17cc/sec of H2 is going to magically give you 60mpg?!


Ok, so what? Lower current would just require a greater voltage to produce the same amount of H2, you are not gaining anything.

Hang around a few chemistry and physics forums for a while and see how often this topic comes up. It's a complete joke.

no it stays at the same voltage that is the idea. The more advanced systems do the same thing yes but they create more gas as people are figuring out better ways to build them. Just because it does the same thing our engine does the same thing as a 4 cylinder cavalier but it puts out alot more power does it not. 125l/sec how little of that is actual fuel if you were to go by that assumption then the gasoline wouldnt do anything either how much actual gas is entering the engine the amount of air that enters has nothing to do with it. Did you even read the first page with like 6 quotes from different scientists explaining why it works.